Taylor Gardner-Hickman

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Where do we stand on offering a full contract? Is there anything available in his loan package to say we could potentially buy him or is it going to be a case of waving bye bye to him leaving a hole

[chaddyrovers]

We have the option to buy him. I would exercise that option

[MarkBRFC]

He's on big wages apparently.

I think this is a loan deal rushed through on deadline day with no desire to make it permanent.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, MarkBRFC said:

He's on big wages apparently.

I think this is a loan deal rushed through on deadline day with no desire to make it permanent.

So why put the option to buy in the agreement?.

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

So why put the option to buy in the agreement?.

To make it look like we are in control.

Remember, Ismael said on a few occasions how he didn't want any loans.

This way, we get a loan in without him looking daft.

Lets see what happens, I don't believe they will make it permanent.

Bardji, I bet they will.

[KentExile]

3 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

So why put the option to buy in the agreement?.

We had a €4M option to make Zeefuik's loan permanent, there was never an intention to take that up either, sometimes clauses get added at the insistence of one party "just in case"

[joey_big_nose]

5 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

He's on big wages apparently.

I think this is a loan deal rushed through on deadline day with no desire to make it permanent.

Its hard to see based on his career to date why he would be on big wages?

Id definitely buy him if we can make it work financially. Not the finished article but decent.

[chaddyrovers]

Just now, KentExile said:

We had a €4M option to make Zeefuik's loan permanent, there was never an intention to take that up either, sometimes clauses get added at the insistence of one party "just in case"

Different era different times. 

I think TGH will sign here permanent 

[KentExile]

14 minutes ago, joey_big_nose said:

Its hard to see based on his career to date why he would be on big wages?

Id definitely buy him if we can make it work financially. Not the finished article but decent.

Based on the wages Birmingham have been paying since their new owners took control

Rather than "big wages", maybe the term should have been "bigger wages than what Rovers currently pay"

 

Edited 13 hours ago by KentExile

[roversfan99]

Hes been ok without standing out, hes had a mixture of good and poor games. 

I think its a bit early to decide and obviously would depend on the fee and wages included in any option to buy.

[KentExile]

16 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Hes been ok without standing out, hes had a mixture of good and poor games. 

I think its a bit early to decide and obviously would depend on the fee and wages included in any option to buy.

He was also essentially a stop gap to fill in for Baradji until he is fit, so assuming Baradji goes to plan, gets fit, and is good (lots of ifs), TGH is theoretically just backup

Regardless of how Baradji does, TGH will be sent back at the end of his loan, Montgomery will be given a new contract (on considerably less than what TGH would require) and touted the solution to our midfield and right back cover issues with terms such as "academy minutes", "player pathways" etc being spouted

Edited 13 hours ago by KentExile

[Mattyblue]

‘Different era’, ‘different times’.

Indeed, I mean Zeefuik was a last minute loan for a club with no intention to achieve anything, whereas now… oh.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I’d be hoping for player that is better myself. If we have any ambition at all . If we intend to hang around the bottom third of the table for ever he’d do. That’s his level. 

[chaddyrovers]

22 minutes ago, KentExile said:

He was also essentially a stop gap to fill in for Baradji until he is fit, so assuming Baradji goes to plan, gets fit, and is good (lots of ifs), TGH is theoretically just backup

Regardless of how Baradji does, TGH will be sent back at the end of his loan, Montgomery will be given a new contract (on considerably less than what TGH would require) and touted the solution to our midfield and right back cover issues with terms such as "academy minutes", "player pathways" etc being spouted

What about replacing Tronstad when he leaves at end of the season. TGH will replace him permanently 

[KentExile]

49 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

What about replacing Tronstad when he leaves at end of the season. TGH will replace him permanently 

Initially, probably Tavares, "our player", "has had a year to adapt" etc will be the terms for that one

Based on pre/early season, Montgomery was earmarked for the role of cover this season, until the Bradford cup game prompted a rethink as to how ready Montgomery/Tyjon/Michalski are.  TGH was then brought in after that, but promoting the youth will be revisited next summer

Leaving next seasons midfield options (*) as Baradji, Tavares, Montgomery & Forshaw & one of Isaac Dunn/James Edmondson/Jake Garrett as the emergency option

If Baradji doesn't work out or if Forshaws legs actually fall off then Rovers may look at another, who will be a cheap buy from overseas

* not counting Cantwell, who I also expect to leave next summer, or Henriksen/Morishita, who will no doubt be seen as his replacement

Edited 12 hours ago by KentExile

[sharpysharps86]

46 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Different era different times. 

I think TGH will sign here permanent 

Interesting take. What makes you so sure?

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

I look at it like this - is he better than the player he’s replacing ? Is he better than Travis ? - no, in my opinion. Is he better than Tronstad, even allowing for the fact Tronstad isn’t at his best ? - no, in my opinion. 
How you get up this league is replacing existing players with better players, not players that are worse.

It can be done, even at Rovers. It’s looking like we’ve replaced Brittain with a better all round player 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

1 minute ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Interesting take. What makes you so sure?

Listening to the voices in his head.

[roversfan99]

19 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

What about replacing Tronstad when he leaves at end of the season. TGH will replace him permanently 

Hes not the same type of player, nor is he close to the same quality.

He lacks Tronstad's ability to screen the defence, you saw that at the weekend when he just totally switched off at one point, stood still and a runner just ran off him so easily. He also isnt as good on the ball.

And then who will replace TGH?

[chaddyrovers]

40 minutes ago, sharpysharps86 said:

Interesting take. What makes you so sure?

Just my opinion 

[chaddyrovers]

25 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

who will replace TGH?

Next season you will have TGH, Baradji, Montgomery and Tavares 

Also depends on what formation we are playing at that time 

[MarkBRFC]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Next season you will have TGH, Baradji, Montgomery and Tavares 

We'll be in huge trouble again if they are the midfield options next season, regardless of what league we are in.

[chaddyrovers]

2 minutes ago, MarkBRFC said:

We'll be in huge trouble again if they are the midfield options next season, regardless of what league we are in.

Yes Mark, you say the same thing every year

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1 hour ago, chaddyrovers said:

We have the option to buy him. I would exercise that option

He looks like he wants to be here you can see it in the wins, he'd be a good one to pick up too. Let's hope they see sense

[MarkBRFC]

Just now, chaddyrovers said:

Yes Mark, you say the same thing every year

No I don't.

Predicted we will be in trouble this year, which we are.

Never said that last season, thought our midfield of Travis and Tronstad was a strong pairing.

Seen nothing to suggest two from TGH, Baradji, Taveres & Montgomery would be anywhere near good enough for this level next season, and wouldn't be great for the league below.

Appreciate there is plenty of time before that though.