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I do feel sorry for Brereton.  It is very hard to make any kind of positive impact constantly just coming on as a substitute.  

I think @meadows has it spot on with his information that this signing is not one that Mowbray has found, more something that has been suggested to the owners.  Given that information that Jim has come across it now all makes sense.  Brereton doesn't get game time because Mowbray prefers to play with a big strong centre forward who can hold up the ball and bring others like Dack into the game, from the limited bits that I have sign of Brereton he is not that type of player, he looks to be a type of player who likes to get in between the lines and get in behind the defenders, totally unsuited to the way we play.

If there is any get out clause (and I very much doubt that there is) then it should be exercised.  If there is not then the best thing that we can do is to send him out on loan in January to a team that suits the way he plays (preferably in the Championship) so that he can gain some form and hopefully get some belief that he can play at this level.

If the Brereton signing is a Venky's vanity project then it is a massive shame that they didn't just give that £7 million to Tony who would have spent in a much wiser way.

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9 hours ago, USABlue said:

Missed most of the game.cos I overslept one thing did stand out, how poor was Ben Brereton today.  I know he was out if position but as a professional footballer he should be able to cintrol a ball coming at him, move with the ball, make a basic pass.  Brereton could do none of this today.  His confidence is shot.  Some suggest some time with the u23's.  Might nit be a bad idea till he gets some confidence back, lads gonna be ruined.  Wonder what young Rothwell is thinking.  Watching Palmer and BB and can't get a look in, must be regretting his move here.

Funny you say that because for me there was 7 out of the starting XI who couldn’t do any of them things too who are also professional footballers.

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Genuinely don't understand Mowbray as a manager anymore. 

If I were Rothwell (who looks our best CM) I'd look to leave. Wasted talent on the bench, Mowbray is too worried about dropping others when we have better quality in the squad as a general

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4 hours ago, Biz said:

Also, for me we should put to bed this idea that he was a “huge fee”

:rolleyes: £7m for a Championship sub is not a huge fee????? I suggest you have backed yourself so far into a corner that you have lost all sense of perspective. 

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3 hours ago, Biz said:

m is (apology for pun) Chicken feed. I can think of a few players we’ve signed on established wages and lesser fee, who’ve ended up costing us way more than 7m

For example, Leon Best.... 

 

So he's cheaper than someone who was a complete waste of money. Brilliant 😂 Except he's probably not:-

BB - £7m + add-ons + (£15k pw est x 4 year = £3m) = £10m at the very least

LB - £3m + (£30k x 4 years = £6.25m) = £9.25m

Loving the 'wage flex' 😎

Keep up. 

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What surprises me is that Ben spends half-time warming up, by lazily knocking high balls across the pitch . I would have thought it would be better to get him involved with the half time team talk, even if it is just listening to the rest of his team-mates getting a bollocking for a poor performance. At least it might make him feel part of the squad. Then maybe when he comes on he might have some sort of idea what is required of him, instead of coming on to the right wing then having to swap over so that Tony can tell him what to do.

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1 hour ago, Kamy100 said:

I do feel sorry for Brereton.  It is very hard to make any kind of positive impact constantly just coming on as a substitute.  

I think @meadows has it spot on with his information that this signing is not one that Mowbray has found, more something that has been suggested to the owners.  Given that information that Jim has come across it now all makes sense.  Brereton doesn't get game time because Mowbray prefers to play with a big strong centre forward who can hold up the ball and bring others like Dack into the game, from the limited bits that I have sign of Brereton he is not that type of player, he looks to be a type of player who likes to get in between the lines and get in behind the defenders, totally unsuited to the way we play.

If there is any get out clause (and I very much doubt that there is) then it should be exercised.  If there is not then the best thing that we can do is to send him out on loan in January to a team that suits the way he plays (preferably in the Championship) so that he can gain some form and hopefully get some belief that he can play at this level.

If the Brereton signing is a Venky's vanity project then it is a massive shame that they didn't just give that £7 million to Tony who would have spent in a much wiser way.

Like on Armstrong and then stuck him on the wing where he is ineffective? 

Anyway, he tried to sign Freeman for £4m and Celina for £3.5m. So he was given money to spend but couldn't get the players for whatever reason. Unless Freeman and Celina were someone else's 'picks' too? None of this really adds up. 

It's very convenient for 'Tony' that people are suddenly saying  the massive waste of money that is BB was not a 'Tony' signing.

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1 hour ago, Kamy100 said:

 

If the Brereton signing is a Venky's vanity project then it is a massive shame that they didn't just give that £7 million to Tony who would have spent in a much wiser way.

Are you suggesting he’s being told to play him? Because I think everyone in that stadium yesterday would have put rothwell on instead. Either Tony’s being told to play him or he’s pig headedly sticking with him 

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1 hour ago, 47er said:

I stopped Biz but you've done an awful lot of replying since! You're just too keen to defend TM and Brereton or you're too stubborn to back down! Or both!

I think it's pretty easy to defened Brereton. He has played about 90% of the little game time he has had out of position. Mowbray on the other hand... 

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35 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

 

:rolleyes: £7m for a Championship sub is not a huge fee????? I suggest you have backed yourself so far into a corner that you have lost all sense of perspective. 

I suggest you can only seemingly read what suits your own stilted perspective. 

To repeat myself - Norwich probably had 100k+ a week sat on the bench, yet 7m is an unacceptable amount to put into a player we hope will fulfil his potential... 

25 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

So he's cheaper than someone who was a complete waste of money. Brilliant 😂 Except he's probably not:-

BB - £7m + add-ons + (£15k pw est x 4 year = £3m) = £10m at the very least

LB - £3m + (£30k x 4 years = £6.25m) = £9.25m

Loving the 'wage flex' 😎

Keep up. 

I thought you said his fee and wages would amount to 13/15m? We’ve stepped that back haven’t we? Back to your same level of nonsense thinking the “Portuguese experiment” was a cheap one.

Id say keep up, but I’m starting to think it’s beyond you.

22 minutes ago, blueboy3333 said:

It's BRFC in the Championship. You are delusional. 

In my opinion of football in 2018, calling 7m a huge sum is delusional. Thinking we’ve paid it all upfront is delusional. Suggesting he’s not good enough after 4 months and 0 starts for a player is delusional.

 

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Just now, Biz said:

I thought you said his fee and wages would amount to 13/15m? We’ve stepped that back haven’t we?

I was just proving my point by underestimating what BB will cost, which is still MORE than Best. See, I can knock a few million off and still prove you wrong. You make it too easy because you constantly invent things. It's a bit of shame. 

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Just now, Biz said:

n my opinion of football in 2018, calling 7m a huge sum is delusional. Thinking we’ve paid it all upfront is delusional. Suggesting he’s not good enough after 4 months and 0 starts for a player is delusional.

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Just now, blueboy3333 said:

I was just proving my point by underestimating what BB will cost, which is still MORE than Best. See, I can knock a few million off and still prove you wrong. You make it too easy because you constantly invent things. It's a bit of shame. 

So you are “underestimating” but I am making things up. Sure Boris.

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Just now, blueboy3333 said:

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Irony is, you won’t even accept that their might be a dodgy aspect to the transfer - because you literally won’t accept a view that takes partial responsibility from TM.

Biased much? Almost a parody of Stuart these days.

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Just now, Biz said:

So you are “underestimating” but I am making things up. Sure Boris.

Yeah. You said £7m was 'chicken feed' and then cited Best as a reason why...even though he will cost less than BB. You aren't well. 

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Just now, blueboy3333 said:

Yeah. You said £7m was 'chicken feed' and then cited Best as a reason why...even though he will cost less than BB. You aren't well. 

If you think Best cost less than that, your out of your own adled mind. I’d stop with the illness insults though, that’ll get us both banned.

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Just now, Biz said:

Irony is, you won’t even accept that their might be a dodgy aspect to the transfer - because you literally won’t accept a view that takes partial responsibility from TM.

Biased much? Almost a parody of Stuart these days.

Haha, the man who constantly accuses others of being conspiracy theorists is now hiding behind a conspiracy theory. You couldn't make it up.

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2 hours ago, Kamy100 said:

I do feel sorry for Brereton.  It is very hard to make any kind of positive impact constantly just coming on as a substitute.  

I think @meadows has it spot on with his information that this signing is not one that Mowbray has found, more something that has been suggested to the owners.  Given that information that Jim has come across it now all makes sense.  Brereton doesn't get game time because Mowbray prefers to play with a big strong centre forward who can hold up the ball and bring others like Dack into the game, from the limited bits that I have sign of Brereton he is not that type of player, he looks to be a type of player who likes to get in between the lines and get in behind the defenders, totally unsuited to the way we play.

If there is any get out clause (and I very much doubt that there is) then it should be exercised.  If there is not then the best thing that we can do is to send him out on loan in January to a team that suits the way he plays (preferably in the Championship) so that he can gain some form and hopefully get some belief that he can play at this level.

If the Brereton signing is a Venky's vanity project then it is a massive shame that they didn't just give that £7 million to Tony who would have spent in a much wiser way.

Astonishing.

Once again, Matty’s “what a mess” sums up this situation perfectly.

Imagine paying £7m for a player and then having to send him out on loan because we don’t play in a way that suits him. If it’s true that he isn’t Mowbray’s player then it’s another joke decision by clowns still interfering. However, how can any manager work under such circumstances? That said, the only manager who did have the integrity to tell them to stick it is still hated by Rovers fans. :rolleyes:

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Just now, blueboy3333 said:

I've done the maths for you in an earlier post. You even quoted it. Keep up.

From your own perceived “under estimations”  eh Boris!

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9 minutes ago, Biz said:

Irony is, you won’t even accept that their might be a dodgy aspect to the transfer - because you literally won’t accept a view that takes partial responsibility from TM.

Biased much? Almost a parody of Stuart these days.

No need to bring me into your squabbles.

But it’s interesting you can buy a conspiracy theory if it backs up your own opinion of Mowbray. Yet if it doesn’t suit, you are collecting in the tin foil hats.

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Just now, Stuart said:

No need to bring me into your squabbles.

But it’s interesting you can buy a conspiracy theory if it backs up your own opinion of Mowbray. Yet if it doesn’t suit, you are collecting in the tin foil hats.

He's beyond parody these days, unfortunately. 

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