Agree JH though he might think we are struggling and throw all the kids in and make it look like we had no option as we are so unlucky to be injury ravaged and therefore what else could anyone expect but a defeat . You know the one ...” not really my fault , not much we could do , we had six 12 year olds in our team today” kind of bollox .

One of whom you don’t think worth ever bringing on when we are chasing a goal . How does he start at Bristol and not get on the field last 3 games when we need a goal ??? £7million utterly pissed away . Even behind chapman in pecking order today and he’s been a write off until now. mowbray , eff off you haven’t a clue what you’re doing or even trying to do . Go and play with your kids in the garden and give us all a break .

And to think only 6 days ago we were full of hope - stupidly . Now we are nestling in the bottom half .

You just said you wouldn’t be surprised if we go and make a big money signing - which way are you going chaddy??

Get ready for the FFP excuse for not spending . It’s the hope that kills us all

Last year at this time Travis was a relative untried youngster . Now , most think he can’t be left out . Why? Because he’s benefitted from 50 games . Buckley has more talent and flair than most of our seasoned midfielders put together . But he needs to grow and adapt to the demands of senior football . So either we play him and grow him or we watch him become a Mount or a Maddison in 18 months time playing for Spurs or whoever . Play him for Christ’s sake , nothing to lose . It’s not like we are play off bound with the current crop of also rans is it?

15700 with about 1200 from Brum

And another example of needing a goal at home we make 3 subs and our £7million striker isn’t one of them . Not that I wanted him to be but if I were in Venkys shoes I’d be asking wtf that was all about.

I thought that about the pitch too, Arbitro. It seemed hard and a bit bouncy rather than slick but our passing and control was awful throughout the whole team. I really feared for us a bit when I saw Tosin was missing because he can bring the ball out and thread a pass. It seemed to affect Lenihan too though the way Derrick was giving it away in the first half can hardly have inspired confidence It was the manner of the display that bothered me more than the result if i'm honest. The run that we are on will end up with points dropped somewhere along the line and possibly that would have been a game we lost late on in the past. They weren't an awful side either, i've certainly seen worse and we have lost to worse teams. But the distinct lack of quality combined with a number of our players who simply aren't up to it leads me to believe we are quite a way short of being play off material. Not a night for singling just one out but Armstrong ….. I just don't see it with him.

Given that the medics will have been with Dack for almost an hour before Mowbray was interviewed and he was still talking about tears and very emotional dressing room , I think this is more likely to be a season ender sadly. I'm preparing myself for the ''9 months but he's in good hands'' followed by 'the operation was a success and he will ''come back stronger'' routine. Hammer blow purely from the goals perspective .

It’s looking like being a long long time until Brereton plays regularly as a striker . If he does we will have fallen a long way off the play offs! i couldn’t tell you one of his attributes .... apart from being fairly young!!!! Lol

I’ve got to say , despite our recent run of great results ( and a point at Swansea is no disaster) but teams who have their eyes on play offs don’t perform like we did tonight . It’s not a one off -away from home particularly - but can’t keep the ball , wrong options , slow tedious build up and actually looking out on our feet . We also still look vulnerable at the back . we had a good chance tonight to go and win that going a goal up against a fragile team and then again with a one man advantage but ultimately we have simply too many that aren’t up to it . i might have taken a point before the game but the manner in which we achieved it left me disappointed overall and to me we are middle of the road team that will raise hopes by winning a few and then go on to disappoint just when the chance is there for the taking. And in truth I think I and several others made the same comment before the season started .

Only for 15 mins at our half time!! im back watching 2 teams who can’t keep the ball one of whom has just thrown away a golden chance to win 5 on the spin ! Ok let’s do it the hard way instead !

Watched us and then at h/t switched to Bayern v Spurs. Different universe bloody hell !!!

Schoolboy defending again on numerous occasions is a bit of a concern . They are getting through us a bit too easily

I think the tinkering comes about through his obsession with the opposition . He always wants to talk about them like they’re some super elite outfit. “We needed an athletic team because they like to play forward “!! Wtf does that even mean?? Not come across many that play backwards !! He just overthinks it’s and ouththinks himself half the time . For god sake man pick your best team ( as you have now started to do ) and let them worry about us . We are the form team in the division - as has been said earlier , it’s no coincidence that a settled eleven , our best eleven is good enough to be at the top end of this league despite Mowbray.

Looked for all the world like there was at least a Lancashire derby in the offing for a good while . I want sure whether I wanted those tw4ts or not as we got down to last four . As it is I feel like it’s the worst of all worlds playing them twice in little more than a week . Still it was a cracker at their place earlier in the season !!!!!! Not .

Once again we approach play off territory which normally prompts a nosebleed. Hopefully not this time and whilst not taking anything for granted against Derby I think the 2 away games to follow at Swansea and Bristol City will tell us whether it was the bad run that was the blip and we're actually decent or the last 7 days was the blip and actually we are bang average. It is hard to believe that with defensive and goalkeeper problems not sorted out last Summer and main striker situation still being a puzzle for Mowbray that we can emerge as genuine play off contenders and our pattern of results is symptomatic of the Championship ie many others will have the same comments about their own teams. Fingers crossed but I am preparing myself for more snakes and ladders in the coming weeks.

Agree - 2nd half poor and Butterworth and Vale struggled . Vale looked very weak and easily brushed aside but we had lost our momentum completely by the time Vale came on . good point about Smallwood , Chaddy. Forgotten man or what???

Watched him today against Burnley . I felt a deal of sympathy tbh. He’s a big old unit and a lot of our stuff went through him . He had a big presence compared to those around him but looked like his body couldn’t work at the same speed as his brain. . I genuinely hope it’s ring rust that he can overcome if so he will have a career somewhere . But it’s not pleasant watching somebody struggle in that way . The lad will have been through hell last couple of years and whatever we think of his ability you have to hope he can salvage something for his own and his family’s sake .

He was a focal point because he played down the middle but I’m struggling to define his contribution . Poor in the air and didn’t win a challenge in the air, isn’t quick and doesn’t go past anybody. He had a couple of opportunities and didn’t manage to get his shot away. Our 2nd goal came from him losing control in a good position and it fortunately ending up at the feet of Davenport .Apart from that.... tbh his impact and performance were very similar to what we have seen at first team level ; exactly the same traits.The only thing I would say in his defence is that the service wasn’t wonderful .

No he was awful - Rovers poor overall. Burnley creates a bit more 2nd half and missed a couple of good chances . notjing on either side that looks ready for first team level on today’s evidence

Do you not feel that we are heading in that direction? It’s broken and unmendable and sat on a Venkys debt pile . How long does it continue ... serious question . it’s a problem that caa a not be solved any more

Just as an aside Rochina scores the winner for Levante in La Liga tonight !! just saying ...

With you there BB. Selling both centre halves (Duffy/Hanley) at the start of that season and not replace was the primary reason we got relegated . Despite spending a relative fortune (correction...actual fortune) since , Mowbray has not addressed that area of the team despite '' defenders are coming'' yada , yada. We might have several players now who are considerably better than what we had then but we are hardly if any better and that is a reflection on the goon in charge.