I'd assume so, It won't affect much in reality, he will 100% get permit, will be having all the same discussions with GB and SW, and getting to know the players as any new manager, its just a bit of red tape

I'm sure he will be working but in an unofficial capacity

Lockdown growth lol

Anyway will draw a line under the "friend/friendly" comment, as I genuinely wish the trust the best and hope the Trust objectives are one day met, which in turn would benefit the whole supporter base and clubs re-engagement. Regarding your comment of immaturity, give me a break. If people want to act like 50 men behind a keyboard, then perhaps as stated many times by me, they come and speak to me in person. The world is changing, and its no longer okay to abuse, gang up or throw comments about like candy, without repercussion. In my supporter group days, i had to bite my tongue, count to 10 and move on. Now i don't have the same restraints,

I questioned the phrase "he is my friend" As an elected body, this is a very strange comment. As Duncan and others on the trust would vouch, and i do speak to them regularly, my support for the trust both privately and publically has always been positive, you can read the trust thread, which is just snippets of my feelings on the trust. I know you are also on the trust Mike, and if people posing questions, is a problem then there needs to be a rethink. Is there any minutes I can read regarding these meetings? Regarding my other post, which had zero connection to the trust, but more so to the one or two idiots who appear now and again to chuck shit then disappear, then i meant every word. Come on how can I take people serious, who throw golf balls, Tennis Balls and Launch fireworks into a stadium when a match is on, with no regard to the safety of either the players or fans in the stadium who refused to boycott? Choose your alliances wisely, as the wrong ones are far more damaging

On cue

I'm sorry, but i will always defend my corner, when my motives are questioned. I dont do hunt in packs mentality, I dont do alias's, and will have a grown up conversation with anybody. I'm a very approachable person, and if people want to get insulting on a message board behind a keyboard, then i'm going to react, especially if they keep stoking the fire. There is nothing I post on here, that I wouldnt repeat to their faces. I knew who would comment on the post, as it was so predicatable. I'm.just waiting for the rest of the calvary, which im sure is on route 😉

My point stands, as does my support for the Rovers trust, i'm sure Mhead can speak for himself, and does not need you to answer for him. Anyone who gives their time and effort to chair the trust, has only the best interests of the club at heart, its a thankless task, i should know the amount of times the business plan hit my desk during the formation of it. You perhaps should practice what you preach, because you are barking up the wrong tree, and quite frankly I have zero interest in what you have to say. If your friends are gonna keep sending a dog, they ought to send a bigger one than you!!!!!!

Never spoken to him, but the lack of transparency I feel I need to now, especially reading post that he is peoples friend, which totally compromises progress. We have potentially an exciting new DOF and Manager, yet disconnection and discontent remains in some quarters. Given my expereience in putting others needs before my own in dialogue with the club and authorities, i think i need to try and get clarity and get rid of the elephant in the room, which continues to scratch at the scars of many. .

I have today emailed Mr Waggott, for a meeting as a concerned season ticket holder, I will keep people updated if he accepts the request.

I have renewed reluctantly, but I always do, but on the basis nothing will keep me away. My renewal though is certainly not an endorsement on the pricing arrogance or incompetence of the regime.

Wildly shakes his head I'm a big supporter of the trust (also ex secretary) But wow this post was best unwritten. How can you represent the members and not be compromised now SW is your friend? I think you've crossed the line of no return.

Yeh quite tedious, friends counted on one hand, acquaintances through your job, role and position something else. Once you cross the line and become friends you become compromised, less effective and no longer credible to those you seek to represent. As one famous Director once said to me when I asked him if he wanted to come for a beer 20 yesrs ago (my own work life) at Xmas. "No because one day I may have to sack you" Supporter representation starts with your own opinion being shelved permanently, putting the views of others regardless of if you agree/disagree with the points you are presenting. As no-one is doing market research, holding public meetings, i'm a little unsure how supporter opnion is being gauged or what is being presented. Believe it or not twitter, facebook, brfcs and other msg boards count to just a small percentage of our supporter base. Getting down in the trenches, facing the supoorters face on is something i've not seen since the last Georges hall open meeting chaired by Wayne Wild and Mark Fish some 6 years ago.

It wasnt even a renewal pack, before he came, we were doing roadshows, imaginative marketing campaigns/videos, everything now seems on the cheap or not done at all

We can agree to disagree here Mike, everyone has a master, and ultimately the board sign off the marketing teams ideas or poo poo them. During the darkest of days, you'd be shocked how well the marketing team were doing, and that was under Shagnew. The last 5 years under the latest board, we have gone backwards. We've brought idiots in, and lost better people. Across the board, every department, its downgrade upon downgrade. My office in the same ground, how many times did Danny Davies come in and ask me to sponsor, fund initiatives? Zero!!!! Yet the community trust asked me to be back up sponsor of the 10k if WEC pulled out, and are always engaging. When the hierarchy is wrong it will always be to the detriment of the business. People dont leave bad jobs they leave bad managers.

The same Tata steel that needed public money to bail them out? Mind blown Steel incidentally is at its largest rate per ton ever, the steel industry is in a mess, we are losing companies weekly, with Cleveland bridge going bump last year. Steel price increases are seriously killing infrastructure with contracts not being able to be renegotiated whilst the labour shortage is a massive threat to our long term economy. I'm currently part of the team delivering HS2, the deficit in numbers with public money are scary

Love Dolan, felt TM didnt give him enough minutes last season and was out the team more than in. Also felt if Tm stayed Dolan may look elsewhere. He is still a kid, with his best years to come, hopefully thats here and JDT can reignite his career

Ok 11 months ago if we are being pedantic. Greg been at the club a long time, and during our darkest days did a hell of a lot of work to hold things together when others were failing. He has worked tiredlessly and hard and has always been loyal to the cause. You do know we have others in that department who were marching with yellow venkys out t-shirts, attended marches, waved banners in the owners faces? A smell of a job and boom heads turned.

This is wrong The model of DOF and Manager is universally accepted, it was pointed out at day 1 once Mowbray's departure was confirmed. Dont forget rovers appointed Park around 6 or 7 months ago, this was to be long term not short term, his role very much player recruitment. The DOF was never going to have input in the managerial appointment. This has been widely reported throughout. SW made a complete hash of the search. GB was found after a headhunter was appointed a couple of weeks ago due to concerns that wheels were not moving and a complete lack of confidence from India was very apparent. This is not the first time the Raos own advisors have recommended an interception. Broughton was brought to the Raos and spoke directly to them, who sold the vision, not SW. He was asked to get involved by them on the manager search front, as it was failing massively. He came up trumps straight away without any objections from SW and we've appointed now a credible DOF and Manager. I'm not overly concerned what SW says on the matter and may ask to see him myself this week, armed with the written literature and ask why we made such a balls up of the process. Employing people in your response to Josh is condescending, and what thats got to do with anything i dont know. Fyi lots on here are established, astute business men. I myself have been a director and shareholder at some large companies, including at one of the biggest employers in the area circa 900 employees, who in turn was one of rovers biggest sponsors. There is lots of positives in these appointments, and one or two other things However how the ship is being run is amateurish at best. Hearing Greg Coar has also gone (another long term, loyal employee) is another blow. I'm sure your efforts are well meaning, and if anything you get more grief due to others in your crew constantly sucking everything off on other social media platforms which is doing more damage to your cause than good. To be clear, everyone wants this latest chapter to be the best in the book, but be under no illussions, there has not been a shift in opinion. Absent supporters remain absent. New supporters will always come, and others walk away. However i have seen zero to get the thousands who walked away back, its more a defeatist attitude of "oh well they are gone, let's try and attract new .... fans".

Your best post for a long time, it couldnt be more transparent. Hats of to you. I think if you had posted this 12 months ago, you would of saved yourself a lot of grief. Also hats off to those at Ewood for taking the time, to give you a greater insight.

But they then lose a player for nothing as his contract runs out

Cantwell would be excellent, but with 1 year on his deal, no doubt decent wages surely they be pushing for a sale? If we could get any sort of deal here, it be up there with the Armstrong signing as a real coup for the club. I think the pre-agreed deal with Bournemouth was 11 million, and i'm sure if that was reduced to just half that, there would be a rack of clubs trying to get him. Just unsure we have that type of money, whilst a loan makes zero sense for Norwich

Sadly you can't change the past, only influence the future. Building a trust, is going to be a long road, given what has gone before. The scepticism is more than valid and understandable given the last 12 years Many of the above is opinion based on how people feel and the number of false dawns. Football is an emotional rollercoaster and many of our supporter base past and present are still hurting. Forgiveness, is not an easy thing, given the systematic dismantling of one of the best run clubs in England. Its 10 painful years since this club was in the premiership running on tight budgets but holding their own. People will support and follow what they can see, what is tangible and most of all, what is transparent. No-one wants anyone to fail, everyone wants the very best for Rovers, some willl take more convincing. This week is a good week, hopefully we get 51 more over the next 12 months, which takes away the worry and concerns people have. Respect is earnt, people dont take kindly to a post i saw on twitter this week demanding the supporters show their respect and gratefulness to Venkys. I dont like text format communication on msg boards as some people will always read it the opposite as you meant it. Its going to take time, building block by building block, its going to take leadership, but what it wont take right now is trust. Too much has gone on before which will be a barrier for some time. The club has to learn much better to respect its customer base. Throwing out comments of one town one club one community, which was the action groups slogan strangely, does not suddenly get everyone on board. Words are cheap, actions are louder.

I enjoy your post, in fact i enjoy 99% of peoples, not sure my wife does though, as she thinks i just get unsociable at home when im on social media. I like Paul, we've shared a pint etc, he has lots of friends around football, and is an all round nice chap

Paul, we've spoken a lot over the years, probably less so recently. You can believe or disbelieve any post/person, after all its a message board. As you should know more than most, if you interview 5 witnesses of the same accident, you will get different accounts. We all get told Allsorts, in my case i dont post 95% if it comes second, third or fourth hand. I try to detach myself from the emotional side on a messageboards, and if i post something its not an endorsement of that i agree or disagree with what i've posted. If you are telling me not to believe what the owners of our football club tell me, or share that, then it really is all lost. So many times what they say and what i'm reading or being told elsewhere is complete polar opposite. I make a judgement call on that information based on the facts that they have the ultimate deciding vote as owners/funders of BRFC. Its not about being right, wrong, misinformed, as anybody posting anything is posting what they hear. I will continue to support the club through the different forms I do, from buying my season ticket, to sponsoring games to buying corporate packages/merchandise. I will continue to support transparency and supporter groups who work tirelessly for free in the background to ask questions/inform the less fortunate (people who dont talk to the club). I will continue to read these boards and comment on things as a supporter, Whilst where I feel intervention/clarity is needed, I will get on the blower to india and seek answers. Contrary to popular belief, I dont find the need to badger them or other sources of information 24/7. They are all big boys and girls, and if anything i'm trying to enjoy just being a supporter with no connection to any individual group, movement who can enjoy the things i've taken for granted beyond football. It does get tiresome on msg boards , twitter, facebook, txt messages. i'm trying to limit my activity too as its just not good for me. I'm pleased supporters like you and others are optimistic and seeing green shoots, its something I do share in the correct quarters. I'm also optimistic. its probably why after all this time, I still try and communicate to the best of my ability controversial subjects in a professional manner and with supportive content to the owners or representatives of our club. They dont always answer, sometimes they can completely ignore you, but as its universally understood, they do have a different "class culture". On those occassions you seek clarity through other avenues. Anyway, hopefully admin hide most of these post, as its a positive day today, and im sure most people want to read about what the thread was intended for, or as the wise man said "take it outside boys"