What is it about the Brentford model you don't like? Surely can't be any worse than whatever system we seem to be employing to attain talent. I don't think I can take another year of having hope before blowing a 2-0 lead at Brentford to slide back down the table.

The second I praise him as being better than Walton and that happens ?

As non-eventful as this has been (from what I've seen so far) it is depressing to see the likes of Raya, Reed and Cairney playing in such a fixture. We waste so much talent at Ewood. Even though he has a mare in him (as shown there) Raya is lightyears ahead of Walton in pretty much every department and it still annoys me that we flogged one of our own instead of working with him just to replace him with a 4th rate loanee.

Graham has been decent for us and I love the guy but certainly isn't a club legend - and let's be honest he's been made to look a lot better than he is by being about 3 levels above any other striker we've had apart from Arma in his time here. One thing I will say is that he offers us something no one else at the club has - the ability to hold the ball up in the opposition half. I can only assume we couldn't really afford to keep him (as a bench player at least) but I can't say I'm not concerned at the prospect of not having a real alternative unless Gallagher/Brereton turn into different players over the next 2 months.

He's just not good enough is he. No real tactical awareness on any level, no team identity even after all this time in charge, and no ability to plug the holes in the team that were there when he took over from Coyle, especially at the back. Having moved away from Blackburn I don't get to go to nearly as many games as I would like anymore, but under TM I end almost every single game thinking "why do I bother wasting my money on this?" - his half-arsed, no width possession play is tedious to watch 99% of the time and you know full well there are at least two howlers a game to come from the defence so even with a 3 goal lead I'm never convinced we have won. Progress in most leagues begins by conceding less goals - until we have a manager willing to pay attention to our defence we will be where we are at best - but if we end of up in a position where we have to rely on Brereton and Gallagher for goals do you honestly seeing us going anywhere but down?

Tbh we could Liverpool's back four and TM would find a way to make them look like a Sunday League defence.

This is what happens when you have all of the ball but no real fullbacks to create width in your own half, no real wingers to create width in the opposition half, and no strikers to stretch their centre halves. Really is an ingenious approach to the game I have to admit.

That fact that we splurged potentially up to £12m on 2 strikers only to then decide that we want to play a brand of football that requires we play with none should be reason enough for TM to be handed his P45 at the end of the season. Absolute madness.

Well, the law of averages assumes that he'll make a difference to a game eventually

You know full well if we were 3-1 up we'd be backing off and inviting pressure... what I'd give for a manager with a winning mentality

At least we can stop the whole "they're crap because of the fan's negativity in the ground" talk now

I have absolutely no faith that Tony a)has the balls or b) has the mental capacity to effectively overhaul this squad in the summer. He's got to go - clueless

Not only a team like Derby, a team like Derby without their best player.

Every single time we have the chance to take the initiative in the table we bottle it. Until TM stops trying to force Bennett intk the defence to plug every gap we have we won't contest for promotion. It's no coincidence that when we stopped playing him every game we had an upturn in form.

I'd just settle for him bekng able to do the basics first if I'm honest.

Brentford deserve this. It's been coming all game. 70 mins in and we're still just launching it into the wind.

This has 3-2 all over it now. Hope not but they're going to batter us.

It would be nice if we could get close to a first ball tbh

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/18200000.probably-naive---mowbray-approaching-transfer-window/ What a joke. If he refuses to negotiate properly get someone in who can. No wonder we're so poor every transfer window. Edit: Not to mention - why is Mowbray doing the negotiation, surely it's his job to choose targets and then a more business oriented person's place to negotiate further?

FIIIIIIIVE - Honestly can anyone remember the last time we scored 5 without reply in a league game?

Not about this game, but I'm sure as hell nervous that TM is (again) going to ignore what makes this a good performance when picking his next team.

Tony has got to go. Pathetic.

If it's still 1-1 after 90mins can someone just let us/them score? This and the boxing day game have to be two of the worst games of football I have ever seen, not sure I can handle another one

Nah we'll just do our usual where we faff about, put no pressure on their keeper and they comfortably see out the game.

So from what I have seen so far aside from the goal our defence and midfield have been fine and Bell and Downing have sent so many good balls in but our frontline is atrocious. I'd love to see their ratio of shots to shots on target because their accuracy is so, so poor.