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I’m wracking my brain for an example and I just can’t think of one. I remember his game management being shocking though, or at least his response to unforced errors caused by over playing.

@philipl some good points, the one thing we’d disagree on is the potential of JDT. I appreciate that this is impossible to actually “fact check” and is a subjective response, but I don’t think his tactics would’ve ever created consistent enough performances with us. Whilst it’s a throwaway statistic - Pears and our two centre halves at the time, had the most touches and possession. He refused to change tact at any point of a game, a system change (like the 3 CBs on Saturday) would’ve never happened. For all the issues he faced, despite the fact that his honesty was refreshing, and that some of our play at the time was excellent, overall - unless you’ve the best sweeper keeper in the league, and the most confident and technical defenders - his approach would’ve never worked IMO. His stubbornness by the end really irked me too. I fully appreciate that the goal posts moved for him and JE, but at least Eustace didn’t throw the club further under a bus by persevering with a system that simply wasn’t working.

Slightly rhetorical but a genuine question; Is “The Rao’s, Venkys, whatever you call them’s” ambition the same as “the club” per se? I ask this on the basis that I believe the people incumbent of responsibility at Ewood work to a set budget. I appreciate that is a somewhat confusing aspect, however it does impact how you can assess the “club staff” and the “ownership”… that is if you differentiate between the two…

Great question regarding the next generation of their family.

Perhaps we need a nouvelle approach then, because the “done thing” hasn’t achieved anything as of yet! It’s not as simple as this but surely there is somebody who has the “influence” (god I hate that term) to promote a bit of National coverage

Have you ever encouraged one of these potential buyers to go public? Obviously, not the “done thing” normally however it would be a newsworthy event, and it may be a better way of getting everybody on board re protest of ownership… But what would I know!

@Mike Graham you ever tried to engage new owners yourself? That might come across as pedantic in text but it’s a genuine question.

Apologies @KentExile if that’s the case!

Becoming a huge @KentExile fan cos people ask questions and he provides answers!

Raya sprung to mind, can’t think of many others.

@RevidgeBlue picking players you don’t like, one who hasn’t even played a minute yet, to suggest they’re only made to make someone money? That sort of viewpoint dilutes to what went on in those initial years. The stories of Etuhu, Murphy and Pudsey the bear; the millions tied up in those initial seasons, I’d say a huge portion of the 150m the club owes the owners in gift loans.

I think it was, I seem to recall some link to his playing days at Coventry coinciding with Waggott working for them but I may be wrong.

@aletheia I can go for plenty of that. I would say that the main overriding difference from my perspective is the necessity of seeing what transpires on the pitch first. Re “stuff”; Some of it has been questionable to say the least (he made someone cry? Come on ffs), and I just can’t fathom what people get out of putting it into a forum, when if some of it was as quantifiable as claimed, it would be in the news. If a colleague of mine said or did something similar to another colleague, I’d deal with it professionally, not leak it to someone to post online.

That almost sounds like “badly advised” to me…. 😂

Yea sure, I mean if your businesses combined are earning you 500m annually, you definitely need that 10% a month of the probable £1k a week Oldham are paying us for a loanee. Maybe the kindred souls of BRFCS should get rid of the tin foil.

CEO.

Very good point first sentence. Waggott and Mowbray did have the most money to spend re wages / transfer fee though and lots of the investments left for free, and spent money on loans every season. If the opposite policy, which is probably enforced due to financial issues, being employed by Rudy (as sporting director or whatever title he has, I would hope Pasha has no input into football matters properly but I bet I’d be disappointed) puts us in turmoil, because the players coming into the club can’t cut it… the rationale grows for calling Rudy a failure. re Pasha, he was around during the previous 15 years too (including SW/TM)- but being effectively chief exec, he is firmly in the firing line now, and I think that’s a good thing. He has always been a failure.

Sorry, that’s my bad. I’d say you’re probably correct! JE*

@KentExile thanks for the research!

I’m not sure how JDT left because of RG, I would’ve said it was a budget change “mid project” and Greg Broughtnothing. You might know more than I though.

I don’t know what you’ve previously said about Waggott either. It doesn’t really matter what definition we put on it, fickle, presumptuous, jumping the gun, not based on reality etc - Steve Waggott had a lot of time here and the paints still peeling off the fucking stadium, so it’ll take more than rumours about dress code to make me agree that the sporting director is more of a twat! Like I said though, all arrows point to more failure, more managers walking because they’re not being backed and more turmoil! Hope I’m wrong. Only one personal responsible for that this season. His head is on the block.

I don’t think that was Gestede! Seriously though I don’t know, but there’s only been one “director” at Ewood ever since the owners darkened our door.

You do you.

Nobody, but to compare his adequacy to the role to your own, is tantamount to the pub favourite “my Granma would’ve scored that”

You can say what you want, but I’d call it fickle. I mean Steve was the guy who 2 managers actively forced their way from. Yes, Rudy was around last summer as a part of the machine, but he truly now is the person who takes utmost responsibility for the football side. If his manager walks away before Christmas, and we’re flopping around mid table or at the bottom, then you will be correct and I will have more rationale for agreeing that he’s on the way to being as much of a twat as Steve Waggott. There is no law against not being convinced or making your mind up by a certain time.