No explanation or reasoning can justify “Mowbray out” 30 minutes after the first game of the season in my view Neal, that’s basically it.

Performance or manner of defeat was never part of the point, I’m quite sure you realise the point is only taking 90 minutes into a new season to revert back to “Mowbray Out!”

Since yesterday this thread re-emerged, is that not singular proof that some posters instant reaction to the defeat is Mowbray out? Clear as day.

As I have specifically stated multiple times - if you’re outlook right now is “Mowbray out” without context - you know nothing about football. When you’ve got past that sentence, you’ll see there’s no argument against being anti Tm, it’s criticism of reactionary poorly timed stuff. Just accept that you disagree and think all the instant reactions to yesterday are warranted, it’ll do us both a favour.

You mean stick to threads where the main viewpoint is something I agree with?

See at least this point of view accepts that any decision on changing manager is well out of date. I happen to think he’s done more right than wrong to date, but that can change quickly - like continuing to bring graham on to move Gally out wide. He’s never been the top tactician people think that a moderate summary of his impact suggests. Even a proper anti Mowbray view like yours EA, must accept that this entire proposal should be on ice till at least a handful of games in?

Why would that affect my opinion that those already making this judgement is wrong? The point is simple Neal. If you’re so reactionary, you’re response to yesterday is “enough is enough”; you know literally nothing about football. If that’s so hard to take, id stop reading alternative thoughts!

The mere fact there’s a thread being posted in under this name is somewhat embarrassing from my perspective. Equally - if the thread was titled differently, it would mean something significantly different. There may be only a handful wanting an immediate sacking, but it’s still a handful of people (in my opinion) showing a completely over reactionary, vacuous and stupid view point. If that’s hard for some to accept, that’s not my problem Silas! Ive never once stated the manager shouldn’t be questioned but that’s the typical response for certain people who do not like to see their assumed woes questioned! Like I said to DE. There are people who seek out the negatives. It’s no coincidence many examples of that sort of poster will gladly jump on the reactionary “Mowbray out” bandwagon. Its obvious to me, generally fans are far more balanced than this example.

It’s always one or the other - black or white, as if anyone who thinks some of the “reactionary tosh” is unwarranted, is automatically “happy clapping”. You know - there’s plenty of middle ground where you can be critical of certain process but still think changing manager is a ludicrous choice. End of the day - people are welcome to make their own assertions, and if they aren’t prepared to hear what others might think, they’re better off not bothering in the first place. As I said, regardless of taking it out context, I would suggest any opinion that believes TM should be sacked ASAP, has no real understanding of football. If you find that annoying, or patronising - I’d take some of your own advice about accepting others opinions on BRFCS!

I wouldn’t say fair I’d say accurate. I don’t think it’s a clear cut decision between the two, trying to keep this brief - I’d say Bennett / Nyambe are on a par at RB - the way we play anyway. Nyambe has many more defensive pro’s where as (shown in some neat interplay with Downing yesterday) Bennett is a far better crosser and attacker. A fear of the opposition or perennial underdog approach for me would make Nyambe a more likely inclusion. We’d agree on TMs main tactical issue is down to a lack of “percentage” based philosophies. Set pieces again our undoing, where better managers will have teams far more rugged than I’ve ever seen on of Tony’s teams, including others like WBA. I think you’ve likely fell on that by choice as opposed to design, but each to their own! I never got that feeling from his interviews, I’ve concurred with many of his complaints towards individuals and team - particularly Raya at times, Rothwell and Travis both made key individual mistakes leading to goals again yesterday! That’s not a new thing, whilst both are exceptional in other aspects. This also goes back to the idea about what he says in public, in his office and the dressing room - it’s all the same. I doubt that very much. Mulgrew was unceremoniously dropped last season, and whilst I don’t recall him being dug out in an interview, I can assume the discussions at Brockhall may have been rather critical! Absolutely - we should all have our own perception and opinion. I still think much of what is going on is “correct” yet but it’s a fine line between success and failure. Im not convinced that TM is the long term future of the club, and as the DJ appointment subtly points at, there is at least a plan for if and when it’s time to move on the manager. Which as you say, brings us back to timing. The main issue with the many of the reactions are simple, they are not taking that context in to account. Cheers for the great discussion btw DE, there’s times when this place shows it is thee place to get actual rational alternate views in depth! Time for a pint..!

I just don’t buy into the perception that his “mistakes” are as simple as others might. Bennett is a good example. We know we have a decent budget but not top of the league. We also have Nyambe who is not quite ready but could eventually be. Do you sign a RB? Or use Nyambe? If he does another performance or two like the one at Preston do you cut losses with him? Im merely assuming just one tiny aspect of the thought process involved for one position - which many just blankly state is “Nyambe should start, no brainer”. That’s not me saying I’d do exactly what TM has with our FB positions, but again Hart and JRC are both adding to that discussion in the club, it’s not and never quite as simple as it’s perceived. Therefore when I hear “he’s not learning from his mistakes” in relation to that kind of decision, well just think of the famous Picard face palm gif. It’s not that simple in my book. I also don’t buy into the sweeping criticisms that are casually used, for one; “fear of the opposition”... I mean in reality, wouldn’t we defend better if he had a paranoia about opposition? Another one; plays his favourites. When has any manager ever not had certain stalwarts, or club men? Ultimately- if there was a time to act it was May. That’s passed, even if you’re the most staunchly anti TM rovers fan, if you understand football, you know now is not the time to act.

I’m sure you’ll find one particular poster predicted Evans on the wing yesterday MB

Yea but if you’re continuously looking for things to be upset about or expect better from, you’ll find it. Many predicted Smallwood and Evans back, but Johnson (who looked good imo) has been ignored because it doesn’t suit the picture that people want to paint DE. Equally - no defenders have been signed!! (except one of the brightest prospects in England on loan, who played at club that finished top 6 last season).. You see what I’m getting at? You could very easily spin that to me searching for things that I want to agree or support - but I felt the substitutions yesterday in hindsight, were woeful!

Plenty of examples of reactionary tosh that has no relevance to the current context of the season / team.

In context - anyone who thinks the most sensible decision would be to sack a manager 90 minutes into a season, knows nothing about football. This has nothing to do with arguments calling for his head going back months, I’m talking about that single reaction. Even those who want a better manager surely appreciate that 1 game in, is not the time to make such decisions.

We play Oldham in the cup in a week, you’ll be able to see for yourself when about 5000 turn up.

Only one (a rather famous BRFCS) lad, who sees the Nyambe/Bennett thing differently to me - However he also felt that we largely played well but lost due to some classic shithousery Many of the comments around me yesterday seemed to lamenting our poor final third stuff. I have to say that I don’t think it’s my place to suggest a manager “isn’t learning” since I’m not presented with the myriad of decisions he has to make, I (like you) only see the final “product” so to speak, so I wouldn’t be assuming TM sits in his office thinking certain players we have are better than they are. I also think the complete overhaul job from bottom of the championship to league 1, to the playoffs and back into the prem, is an incredibly difficult task; with not many managing it! Some fair points - comparing to the jobs Coyle or Kean did, the way Berg and Lambert seemingly had their hands tied; it’s not much to be better. I also think that highlights just out difficult it is to fix something fundamentally broken by continuous decline. The expectations we all have this season is predominantly down to the good job done so far in my opinion.

I’d hope TM makes his decision based on what he and his staff see, not his perception of what the fans want.

Had this discussion lots already - I think both have aspects the other lacks Tosin took ages, Williams is injured. I also don’t think the market is as straightforward as others. Not all decent young players from the pl will come on a pay cut because they want to play for us (Gallagher) Armstrong / Rothwell / Downing, I would’ve found it hard to choose from them too. I though the subs yesterday could’ve been used better. Absolutely - TM ain’t infallible. I’m hindsight it’s obvious others may have stepped up but - bringing on Rothwell (our best on bench) Graham (last years player of season) and Buckley (arguably our best youngster) would’ve been many of our choices during the game. Absolutely - he’s got to get more from what he did yesterday, and I’m not denying that. I just think the people must be oblivious to football if they believe sacking TM right now is a good idea. This is his big season, he’s essentially set himself up for it by achieving the minimum targets in the previous two and talking up playoffs. I’d be joining you in the queue to help drive him home should we look like going backwards in the coming months.

I’m not at all. “What does he bring to the team” besides 3 fairly back handed compliments? I think that’s a bit unfair - it’s not even relevant to his actual performance

Two things - Just to clarify, that’s me venting the same as many above. I stand by the point though - simplified; If you think the best course of action is to immediately sack Mowbray - you know nothing about football. As @Ossydave says, another 5 games of the same will quickly ramp up heat, but I’m standing by that “harsh” comment. Secondly - “let’s not pretend he’s a good manager” - and you call me harsh. How many of our recent managers (some of them you’d be stretching the truth using that term) have achieved anything? Its knee jerk lack of gravitas. I’m with @Paul - new low from my perspective.

After 1 game in a season?

The way this is washed over as a simple achievement after Coyle and with our owners is hard to read.

Each to their own, my opinion in a nutshell; If you think it’s time to sack TM, you know nothing about football, you’ve learnt nothing from the last ten years, and you generally don’t know the difference between aspiration and expectation. Things can change quickly - but we’ve played 1 game in a competitive league, with 45 to go. Picking a few of last season results, or the inability to get exactly what we want in transfer windows as the main reasons, with this defeat as the “straw that broke the camels back”... I have to say - that’s a complete knee jerk lack of awareness. No surprise, not a single person in the club before or after, not a single person on the concourse or on the ground, or a single one of the people I talked to after in a few pubs after even mentioned the words “Mowbray out”.. Reason for that? A normal conversation involves being immediately responsible for your words, and many things said in reaction to yesterday’s result in this thread, would’ve been laughed at as a pointless “vent”! Some might not like it, but I don’t particularly like reading this kind of (in my view) OTT reaction to a sport that’s never been as simple as it’s perceived.

There’s worse things you can say, but I guess it shows the pride of the player to react to a character jibe - cares a lot about his perception obviously. I think he deserves better treatment.