Jason Lowe loan to buy?

That’s quite a record !

We both know that his head will turn to signing permenant if he likes it here and he gets a chance. That said I agree and hope we have some sort of agreement in place. If Karanka isn’t going to include him, it doesn’t matter what they want for him - if he’s any ambition he will be wanting to move on. Interested to know who the others are.

Thanks again Tonyoz. Interesting stuff

Watch SSN for goals. Or Kamy’s twitter. Dacks second is brilliant. First touch back to goal, second touch top corner

Last summer was great business generall, in hindsight anyway, but it’s hard to compare when we are talking league 1. Mahoney was one of the many, was it 12 that left? A big number of outs and ins is indicative of a problematic summer! This one (whilst underwhelming) has been a breeze compared.

Different debate, you quoted the misery guts above talking about this window being “the worst” in recent times. I actually agree that we could’ve done better enticing fans with a better season ticket offer. Hopefully they’ll learn from those mistakes but as JHR says in the season ticket thread - there’s a trend across a few clubs, it’s our staffs job to break that. Cheap tickets for u14s or something would’ve been a start. I remember back in 2001/02, myself and @S8 & Blue got a season ticket each for 30/40 quid.

I don’t think it’s been very good, but I’m not stupid enough to think giving Lenihan, Dack and a few others new contracts and adding some young potential and quality in three signings is “the worst in recent memory”. I would suggest you get a grip.

Back to square one? What would you call 12 months ago? Square minus one? I also can’t see how anyone could agree that this summer window is worse than the last in this league.

Agree we could’ve used some quality and depth but you can’t really suggest this summer is worse than hiring Coyle, signing Stokes, Greer, Feeney and Wes Brown - whilst loaning a load of premier league players (only a couple any good) and selling Hanley and Duffy? Last season we had to replace almost half the squad. Losing some quality too like Mahoney. We also had a league one budget - all the signings costing less than Armstrong’s fee. So, right mind or a poor memory?

How on earth could anyone in their right mind call this summer “worst summer transfer window for some time”.. Do you remember last year when we had to replace 12 players after dropping into the third division? How about the year before when we sold our two best centrebacks? I could go on, but I’m not going to. Try thinking before you speak because anyone with an ounce of sense couldn’t say keeping our best players, extending their deals and adding some potential (Armstrong, Davenport and Rothwell) is one of the “worst” in recent memory. Underwhelming perhaps.

They had a few chances but we completely bossed the second half from start to finish

I watched the game on front of me you absolute melt. They had a few chances and we should’ve scored 2/3. Palmer scared them to death, Rothwell looked decent when he came on too.

That’s nonsense we bossed a top half team on last years table. Should’ve won, graham had two great chances.

Everybody is allowed to forge an opinion and I’m swaying towards the idea that we didn’t get a few of those who went to Preston/Bolton and a few loans elsewhere because Tony didn’t want them. I think we had around 5/6m to spend in total upfront and I think we had a few targets move out of our range after we spent some time on them- he even mentioned one (at time it was guessed Bamford to leeds being 7/10m) I even think Armstrong started off at 3m upfront, hence why it didn’t happen until Newcastle started moving a few around and sold Mitrovic. The window as a whole was different. Even Mourinho (most successful manager of all time) at Manchester United (one of the biggest clubs in the world) seemingly stumbled from target to target because of ever increasing costs and shifting goalposts. Im not comparing us to them, but I’m thinking the market is harder than people think - when average/risky players are costing tens of millions, it takes timing and luck - especially at our end of the scale; I’m under no illusion who is to blame for why we are in this position. Thats not to say I’m not under whelmed either, but it’ll take a decade to get over spending more than a million signing players like Bradley Orr, Petrovic, Formica, vuckevic, Goodwillie, Slew, Best etc! Or the frees that cost us 10s of millions. If you go back further, there are plenty of other examples of us wasting money. Ashley Ward anyone? A pragmatic approach is welcome from me. Just to add - I think the squad is stronger than the previously relegated one overall so I’d expect us to be mid table or at least safe without any more additions.

No, but does any of the above read as a true story to me? No.

Super new recruitment system? Quite sarcastic for me. Hasn’t done too shabbily in the last twelve months and I’m not convinced it’s as simple as many seem to make out. Starting with the fact that we’ve never had such an early window followed by a loan one. There will always be something to criticise I understand that, but I think you’re making a bit much of the club saying it’s wanting permenant signings but not getting them - anybody managing any club with a budget, wants good prices, good players, sensible wages and it’s never straight forward.

Its fair cop to be underwhelmed, but do know what the word prefer means? It doesn’t mean guarantee. I also know that some of the “hope” remarks came early June and not all from TM - soon after we added Davenport and Rothwell, plus the necessary contracts signed. None of this warrants this level of criticism and sarcastic retort in my humble opinion.

Have you considered that most of the best premier league loans aren’t available till their 25 squads have been chosen? Particularly those over 21 who have to be registered to play. There’s also teams like Watford, Wolves and Everton. They’ve had a late influx of signings. What’s the chances that someone will leave on loan? Quite high.

Why do we “need” to win on Saturday?

Or will be more prepared to sign loan to buy deals thinking we’ve got cash to spend if we want their players. Transfer activity is all smoke and mirrors.

2m in this window so far potential more in loans, last summer he said he had a bit left for January and they added Bell, Downing and a loan. Recent history would contradict what you’re suggesting. I find it hard to see any consistency in the owners actions bar the last 18 months of “sleep” mode.

What does that mean?

I agree that it could’ve been better but I’m not criticising us for trying to sign players. Id rather we use the pragmatic approach anyway. Funds are never going to be groundbreaking under the Rao’s and our turnover is pitiful. It also think the market is grossly underestimated as “easy”, 5m doesn’t just buy you a better squad, Opportunity comes and goes. We all know 7m, or any fee can buy both good and bad players. If we are talking window as a whole, it’s hard to forget the factor of the new contracts and keeping all our best players too.

It’s more far fetched to base your entire opinion on our transfer activity on media reports in my opinion. I’d suggest a few leaks near the end came genuinely from moving target or attempting to get other teams to react. I don’t pretend to know the entire ins and outs of the transfer world. Both could’ve been agent leaks. Pilkington is a winger with games at this level, and Gallagher will get, has got better than when we last had - backup to Graham I think works. Both my opinion again.