Or we’ve just unsettled two good players at our near rivals. This thread is misleading also. The loan window is still open for championship clubs. In terms of overall permenant additions, little underwhelmed but happy we’ve got Armstrong back. I echo those who say 2 loans on top of the prior business would bring us up to speed. Gallagher and Anthony Pilkington please.

The M people are moving on up as we speak

Can you imagine the response if that happened to Lenihan? For 3m?

Dan Burn off to Brighton- Wigan will be weaker as a result.

Damnit I knew we’d only sign some free-man! Wag-out-out!

Played as a number ten for Bristol a few years back I think, seem to remember him scoring a daft goal.

More or less everything TM has said has come to fruition, he said he *wants players and can afford them, I believe him. Already spent 2m plus in this window and some cracking contract renewals. His words certainly carry far more weight than the next in a long line of fleeting internet aliases.

I’m quite sure that Mowbray and Waggott said they had a remit and budget, so the bold paragraph essentially would suggest they lied.

I wouldn’t want to predict tomorrow since a lot of teams across the divisions are in a similar boat (struggling to get signings over the line) and it’s the first “early finish” window.

I think you are mistaking Villa with one of the other embargoed clubs - I was under the impression that Villas troubles came with previous owners running out of cash eg refusing to buy the suits for the playoff final. As this is their third season - wouldn’t next year be the accounts that would required to serve a sanction? I’m not suggesting the process is faultless or even fit for purpose and you could expect Villa to delay accounts or sell big players next season. I thought Villas problems this summer came from a lack of money either way, not threat of ffp. That’ll come if they aren’t promoted this season.

Thanks @tonyoz really useful stuff

Is she coming on a free?

He definitely won’t show up...

Is this year villas second or third year in the champ? Either way, FFP is worked out over three years I think so villa aren’t likely to get stung for a bit yet.

He also said something along the lines of not being surprised if we make a loan signing after the main one closes. It would be good idea imo to do this, some of the fringe players in the premier league will not be sure as of yet whether they are to be suitably involved (especially u21s that don’t need to be registered to squads) in first team matters. Last week of August, the picture is much clearer.

Nope.

Worries me either way. Was a shame too because the overall performance, especially being dominant for large parts of the second half. I also felt KP45 missed a sitter and walked/passed into a few blind alleys but I’ll give the lad a chance since he’s been in the building less than a week.

It was hardly a result of our tactics anyway. Raya made one or two mistakes I saw in the 70/80 minutes plus that one he was punished but lucky. Overall though I’m impressed by us. Williams was Jekyl and Hyde. Palmer was a bit lacklustre though, will enjoy having Armstrong as a sub to run around in Nuttalls place.

Surprised I’ve not seen anyone critical at raya for their 2nd goal was either a total fluke or his fault! I’d go for the later

Simple reply. Nobody is saying that he is the catalyst, you said that. I didn’t get anywhere near implying that either. Tony Mowbray is the main catalyst for the change in fortunes of the club. I replied to a @JAL post which is always a poor decision in hindsight. I don’t think it needs pointing out that all of our best players have new contracts and last season we moved in a better direction. We’ve seemingly a better structure, budget and our transfer business looks sensible and gives me optimism. Forgetting the social media, events, community liaison etc - even transfer business is mainly wrapped up and under the radar for the first time in nearly a decade. Its not difficult to be an improvement on what was, but at the same time it’s rather childish to pick out one or two of the more difficult decisions (moving Darwen end) or criticise for something like the kit design, which is subjective anyway. It’s even more childish to defend that sort of nonsense content. You have no problem making a valid and well thought out point Roversfan99, so don’t defend content that’s merely a throwaway criticism based on nothing but a cathartic need to complain, not discuss. See you all at 5pm (if we don’t lose that is...)

In the time waggott has been involved we’ve done nothing but move forwards. It’s not simply his responsibility but to find a way to criticise him right now is just basic nonsense or (jalsense) You are a fantastic example of why humanity isn’t ready for the internet.

Yea, tried hard in a team playing poorly, christ I’m sure Coyle even played him on the wing at one point. Mulgrew, Evans, Bennett, Williams and Graham also played in that team btw

More importantly, nobody wants to sign for Burnley either!

I can understand the underwhelm aspect but the other side of the coin in that scenario might suggest we have a management unwilling to waste any money on second/third choices? Hypothetically, saying we don’t add permenant but then get say Gallagher and a Centreback on loan before the end of that window; I’d be relatively happy with the 5 signings this window. Especially if noise coming out of the club suggested targets would be re-evaluated in January. I don’t want to see us rush. We had to last season because 12 left, this year we have more time to build. I don’t buy that this squad is relegation fodder- Ofcourse (like half of any league) we are one or two injuries away from serious issues but that’s just football, unless you’re a Man City; and even then you couldn’t replace De Bruyne, even if Fernandinho et al cost you 100s of millions.