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From what was posted on here the Millwall fans' ire towards him seems to stem from them crashing out of the playoff spots towards the end of last season and his style of footall. I can understand the first to a degree, but then Mowbray had us falling out of the playoffs or failing to capitalise on good positions to get in multiple times, and still retained majority support at Ewood. It seems a bit harsh considering they have a relatively small budget. As far as his style of football... how often have Millwall been pleasing on the eye over the years?

Birmingham continue their American revolution with another victory, which takes them up to third. Plymouth with their second defeat in a row and no win since opening day, but they've shown enough to suggest they'll compete this year. If they keep up their current levels of performance I don't think they'll go down. Cardiff with their first win of the season at home to Sheffield Wednesday, who have lost four on the spin and appear to be in for a difficult season. If they want to survive they have to pick up points from matches against teams like Cardiff. The fans were apparently chanting for the owner to leave today, so it seems despite promotion last season there are still a lot of internal issues there. Coventry will probably be a little disappointed with a 0-0 home draw against Sunderland. A decent point for Sunderland, but they'll probably be concerned by their lack of goalscoring threat. They only had two shots on target. Mowbray complained about not having a "killer number nine" in his post-match press conference and suggested it wasn't likely one would be coming by the end of the window. Huddersfield got smashed 4-0 by Norwich at home. Nine goals conceded and only two goals scored in their first four matches suggests they're in major trouble. Warnock may be starting to regret agreeing to stay on for another season. Meanwhile Norwich appear to have rectified their issues from last season, making their best start to a campaign since 2002. Ipswich suffered their first defeat of the season, beaten by Leeds in a 4-3 goalfest. It was Leeds' first win of the season. It remains to be seen whether it was the start of Leeds getting to grips with the division and Ipswich having their weaknesses exposed, or whether it was just a bad day at the office for Ipswich. After a couple of defeats on the Trot, Millwall beat Stoke 1-0 at home. Preston continued an impressive start to the season, beating Swansea 2-1 at home. Swansea are still without a win this season, having managed two draws and two defeats. Preston meanwhile are unbeaten, having won three and drawn one, placing them in 5th. They aren't scoring bucketloads, but have only conceded three goals, and a solid defence pays dividends. Leicester with another narrow victory, this time beating Rotherham 2-1 away. They were good value for the win though, and 4 wins out of 4 with only three goals conceded suggests if they find their scoring boots as the season goes on they'll be heading back to the PL without too many problems. Rotherham meanwhile are still without a win, having only picked up one draw in their first four matches, losing the rest. No prizes as to who they picked up their solitary point against. Another season of struggle beckons for them. Southampton picked up their third win of the season with a 2-1 home win against QPR, who have lost three of their opening four matches. Southampton are scoring plenty of goals, but defensively have some work to do if they're going to claim a top two spot. Nonetheless they are unbeaten in their first four matches and it's highly likely are going to be up there challenging. WBA picked up their second win of the season, heaping more misery on Boro with a 4-2 win. Despite a poor start to the season against us, Corberan appears to have WBA going in the right direction. Boro meanwhile are still waiting for their first win, having only managed a single point in their first four games. However, they started last season badly and then rode a wave of momentum into the playoffs. That did coincide with a change of manager, though, so Carrick will be aware results need to improve. Boro have shipped 9 goals in their first four matches and only scored 3, so there are problems there. A win for Rovers tomorrow could take us up to 7th, depending on how many we score. A draw would take us to 13th, a defeat leaving us in 15th with only one win in our first four games and no victories since the opening day.

From what I read the DJ is a wrestling fan and often plays wrestling themes during intermissions, so most definitely a tribute but to be expected. I was surprised to see tributes from David de Gea and Vanessa Hudgens on instagram though. Bray's reach as a performer really was beyond typical wrestling fans. Thinking about it, the guy undoubtedly had a Hall of Fame career in just ten years. Look at everything he did, the storylines he was involved in and the people he worked with. He could be put in the HOF next year and I don't think anybody could argue it was undeserved.

Have to admit it's got to me a bit as well. When I was done with WWE around 2019 the Firefly Funhouse segments are what brought me back - I thought they were fantastic. Bray had a great mind for the cinematic and storytelling elements of the business, he just never quite seemed to have synergy with with wrestling side of things. In his earlier years he was kneecapped by the booking, losing too many feuds to be taken seriously. Towards the end it was more a case of his stories never having a definitive end, and lacking a decent payoff. Nonetheless, he's been a part of so many memorable moments since I started watching again. Often he was the only good thing about a Raw or Smackdown. Probably my favourite parts of his career were his Smackdown run in 2016/2017 with Randy Orton (excluding the awful Wrestlemania match they had) and the earliest days of the Funhouse and the beginnings of the Fiend. It went downhill fairly soon after he started wrestling, but for a brief period of time it was some of the best stuff WWE had put out in years. With both Eddie and Benoit it was a real shock because I'd been watching them in WCW from the first moment I began watching wrestling in 1996, all the way through their WWE tenures. With Bray, he was one of the major players when I got back into WWE around 2014ish. He's been one of my favourites since I got back into wrestling, as he was consistently one of if not the most interesting character on the show. I always looked forward to his segments, as even though sometimes they'd be duds, usually they were memorable and outside the box creatively. I appreciated that. It's such a shame his final run didn't pan out properly. His return was incredible. His new theme song was fantastic, and the original idea seemed to be very unique. Sadly it just didn't work. Whether it was Vince and creative muddying the waters, or Bray just missing the mark, I don't know... but there was so much potential there. I still had faith that Bray would redeem it when he came back. It sucks we'll never see where it could have gone, but more importantly it sucks that a guy who people have nothing but good things to say about is gone.

Funk is obviously a legend and will be missed, but got to a good age considering what he put his body through. Bray Wyatt... that's horrible. Sounds like he has something similar to Keith Lee insofar as COVID causing heart issues. Absolutely gutting. Say what you will about him, but he is one of if not the most creative mind involved in wrestling in the last decade. He's been part of a lot of memorable moments.

The obvious reason is that we need him now, but also there can be a big difference in a year once players get to Batth's age - especially if they aren't playing regularly. Mulgrew's legs were gone by the time we started our first Championship season, having still looked okay at the end of the League 1 season. Batth may still remain on the shortlist as a potential option if we don't sign him and he's released on a free next year, but we may be operating under entirely new circumstances by then.

Indeed, we saw it here with Mowbray here as well. There was always a player able to bring a spark or a goal out of very little. Dack primarily, but also Armstrong and later on BBD. Current Dack probably isn't going to be that player for Sunderland, and I'm not sure they have any others who can consistently step up in that role. The younger Bellingham is their best bet, but it's a lot of pressure on a 17 year old to consistently deliver in that fashion.

What exactly are the "mistakes" that were made by Greenwood, that seemingly had nothing to do with the leaked audio and pictures, that still meant United felt he couldn't continue at the club? Pretty confusing statement.

Thanks for the insights. I tend not to jump straight to blaming fans in these instances, even if from the outside it seems unreasonable, as we've seen ourselves that other fans are often unaware of other moving parts beneath the surface.

You'd think over time they'd get better at using VAR, but if anything they seem to somehow be getting worse. I don't know if it's because they're being asked to utilise it in more complex ways or if the officials chosen are just poor at what they do, but it's getting silly now. When VAR was initially introduced it was for "clear and obvious errors". Basically something that would be outrageous if not picked up on. In my mind that was something like Spurs phantom goal against United years ago, or Lampard's phantom goal against Germany - although goal line technology negates the need for VAR in that instance anyway. Maybe something like a stamp that had been missed by the on-pitch officials, or an obvious foul that should be a penalty. Note that word obvious, for example a player completely clearing out another player without getting a touch on the ball. Instead it's being used for contentious infractions that are a matter of opinion and often don't constitute what I would consider a "clear and obvious error" by the official, and that's where I think it's gone wrong.

What's the craic with Millwall fans and Rowett? I don't really follow them so not sure why the fans would already be turning against him like that. I thought he was doing alright there. They've only got one point less than us so far, and we're only three games into the season.

The abysmal standard of refereeing, massively aiding Spain's excessive use of the dark arts, made it a frustrating final to watch. With that said, England didn't look like scoring the entire game really. Just that one shot which hit the bar. Otherwise the attacking standard was very poor, although their goal aside Spain were no better. They just had that one clinical moment, and we had none. Not sure if the occasion got to our attackers, but they looked a shadow of what we've seen over the past couple of years.

Is it really a "clear and obvious error" though ? This is where I disagree with VAR usage. If it needs the level of discussion that was had for this penalty, it isn't clear and obvious, and VAR shouldn't be flagging it. Great save for the pen. Our attackers need to raise their game for the last 20 minutes, they haven't been at it today.

Not just you, there was a lot of aggy posts and it's depressing enough after a defeat without having to clear up a thread with our own fans having a go at each other. I get that people's opinions can be frustrating, especially if they're repeated, but I'd suggest the ignore feature or just scrolling past. Bait is only worth anything if people rise to it.

I think we're walking a much more precarious tightrope in terms of forward options than people realise. As it stands we have three primary strikers - Leonard, Ennis and Gallagher. Leonard - 19 year old lad with barely any senior footballing experience. Ennis - Mainly plied his trade in League 1, remains to be seen if he can make the step up. Gallagher - Never scored more than 8 goals in a season for us since we signed him permanently. Of these three, Ennis is unfit and had injury problems at Plymouth. Gallagher has had various injuries keeping him out for weeks at a time. Leonard is a young lad and could also easily get injured as he's still developing. There's a realistic propsect all three could get injured at once, and then what? Dolan up top? Hedges? Sammie? Siggy, assuming he's fit? Another youth team striker? And even if our actual strikers do stay fit, are any of them scoring a significant amount of goals? We surely can't expect too much from Leonard at this point in his career. Ennis is a total unknown, and Gallagher, as noted, has never been prolific. Meanwhile our defence is far from solid, conceding goals and making errors, suggesting we won't be able to rely on grinding out 1-0 wins with the odd goal from midfield or defence. We are desperate for reinforcements. If the window closes without at least one other striker coming in then we are taking a massive gamble.

To be honest I'd rather we'd won 1-0 and Rosenior was moaning about us being shithouses. Loved the good old bully boys days, pissing off the likes of Wenger, Benitez and Ferguson. Do whatever it takes, within reason, to get the result - and as fans, we all knew we were better than the tag, and it was lovely to see the big boys crying over getting a bloody nose from little old Rovers.

It's a strange one because he definitely has the ability - we've all seen it, he can be excellent. It's possible he's playing with a niggle, might be that he's lost some confidence, might be that he needs someone beside him to give instructions. I'm not sure. Regardless, we've conceded two or more goals in 3/4 games so far this season (cup included), so something isn't working.

It's certainly a concern. Feels like we're missing some vital leadership and experience at the back - probably why we've been trying to get someone like Batth in. I think Hyam is a solid enough CB, but you do wonder if he needs a more experienced head beside him to get the best out of him. You'd ideally like him to to be fulfilling that role at 27, but I'm not sure he's vocal enough to lead the back line.

It would be worrying if the players aren't being trained to deal with this kind of tactic, as for many clubs in this division it's standard. It should be something we're well-drilled to combat already. Granted today it didn't look like it.

Gallagher reminds me a bit of Dolan in that he seems to be a decent impact sub in the last 20 minutes or so, but start him and the limitations become apparent.

Concerning to me that we haven't kept a clean sheet in our first three games (four if you count the cup). With our distinct lack of firepower we need a steady defence, clean sheets are vital. Ipswich sit top having only scored 5 goals in their first 3 games, but crucially they've only conceded 1.

You sure it wasn't a signing being revealed?

I asked nicely for the personal attacks to stop. Goes straight to bans now, fair warning.

Just to be clear, direct personal attacks aren't allowed even if you strongly disagree with a poster's opinion.

Really poor result, no hiding from it. Struggling against Rotherham and Hull doesn't bode well. Reinforcements desperately needed or were looking at mid table, and that may be optimistic.