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Sounds like he may have played as a central forward with some success - though it’s not clear. Hopefully, he’ll get a chance to continue there, if the case, to see what he can do. Generally, as far as I know, he’s been played wide.

Yep, and he’ll no doubt have Kieran Trippier and a half-fit Luke Shaw on his production team, if he can help it.

One of Gueye’s issues might be positioning. When the cross first went in, he was moving away from the goal, as if he didn’t fancy competing with the defenders. When it came in again, from JRC (nice control from him), Gueye wasn’t really on the move much - but his strength and height seemed to win the day.

How many goals did Ciccio Grabbi get for Rovers? Big Mak Pape Gueye is on his way! Also positive to see Litherland and O'Grady-Macken on the bench. Gives fans a bit of hope for the future - and maybe the players too. I would hope that they stay in there, rather than bringing back Sigurdsson etc.

National league side, Oldham played a second-string but that did include Rovers old boy, Joe Garner, who scored what was described as a 'brilliant 'goal in a report. I see that Brandon Powell and maybe, Michalski, returned from their loan clubs to play here. For me, if they're on loan, they should stay away. I personally don't feel it helps the stability of the team or the player if they're coming and going. It'll be interesting to know how the young side played. It might be the case that the likes of Dunn are fast-tracked as his seniors are out on loan. Though a young side, for me, the worry is that Jack Vale, Connor McBride and Dan Butterworth, for example, were tearing things up at this level (or at least consistently standing out). McBride was even nominated for the PL2 8-man shortlist of players of the season, alongside Cole Palmer and Liam Delap, a few years back. He now competes with Oldham in the National League for Rochdale. But, of course, they didn't make it - and Vale doesn't look like he will, though injuries have hit him. So, if the current U21s aren't even reaching that level, or even the level of a Sam Burns, Sam Durrant or Dan Pike, it makes you wonder what we're looking at. Some have time on their side, others don't.

Would like to see Buckley. Has something to prove against Wednesday, perhaps.

Mixed feelings for Edmondson today? Starting again for Macclesfield in National League but if he was at Rovers, he'd have had a fair chance of being on the bench for the seniors given he has been one of the better performers. Instead, O'Grady-Macken makes it.

A sign of decline or a blip? Litherland and O'Grady-Macken from the new generations on the bench but should be a big concern for the future.

I think there is a real situation where the owners are reducing fan expectations at every aspect. Whilst Rovers senior side play at the same level as PNE, one academy is an elite Category One set-up, the other a Category 3 set-up, without an U23s side. That’s no guarantee of results but it’s worth recalling.

A major problem will arise if Owen Beck is recalled by Liverpool in January. He was recalled in the last season midway through his loan spell at Dundee after Liverpool got some injuries. I think they have several options at left back - so not sure - but the possibility is always there.

If a club comes in, Rovers have to sell Dolan in January, I feel. Really, it should have been sorted in the summer or before, either way. But it's obvious he's going, barring the unlikely promotion. That said, I can't imagine Rovers would get a lot for him, given it's got to this late stage and he's been very inconsistent.

And with that money (and throw in the Finneran compensation, whatever it was), did we scour the lower leagues or the fringes of the Premiership for the next Wharton for our midfield, or did we only get in Ayari on loan for a game and a half, sign Lewis Baker on loan and pray that Rankin-Costello (and Buckley) would transform into a central midfielder? Edit: Not to undersell the club, Jalil Saadi was given a new one year deal. (With all respect to him, as he's done well, considering he is not at the level required - and hope he forges a decent career).

Imagine Rovers getting promoted back in the early 2000s and losing Souness and Damien Duff before kicking a ball in the Premier League. It happened to Leicester, effectively, with Chelsea taking Maresca and Dewsbury-Hall. Even with the compensation and bringing in big-money signings, it makes it nigh on impossible these days, I believe. We saw it last season with Sheff Utd selling Berge and Ndiaye before kicking off in the Premier League.

You may have a very fair point about Tyjon's goal to games ration - he's also scored a few away on England youth duty, I think. But, he really should be getting more support up front, given his age and slight size, but the squad is threadbare. Boggan might come in, eventually. I think it's evident that the basic problem is lack of quality. And that's been depleted further by injuries, many outgoing loans and the new recruits not making much of an impact yet. As far as I can tell, the national league clubs that the team have faced in the cup, such as Carlisle and Rochdale, have played weakened sides, which puts the season in a slightly different context. That one of our 'top scorers', Bloxham, was being converted into a full-back, lately, says a lot. To my mind, the management have all but given up on U21s football. It all looks rag-tag and about getting players out on short-term non-league loans anywhere at the first opportunity.

Rovers U21s have played 17 games so far, by my reckoning - quite a few of them in various cup competitions, some against non-league, some against continental opponents. Tyjon and Bloxham are the best bet for goals in the U21s (aside from Leonard) but even they aren't scoring often. U21s goalscorers this season: Harry Leonard - 5 Tom Bloxham - 4 Igor Tyjon - 4 Amario Cozier-Duberry - 3 James Edmondson - 2 Zack Stritch - 2 Leo Duru - 1 Lewis Bell - 1 Exaucé Mafoumbi - 1 Freddie Leatherbarrow - 1 Brandon Powell - 1 Adam Caddick - 1 Matty Litherland - 1 Paul Murphy-Worrell - 1

No strikers coming through at U21s level? Tyjon is leading the line lately, though he's 16, and more of a second forward, I suppose. Joe Boggan was on the bench recently, having not featured much, as far as I can tell, since he went to Macclesfield (where he didn't play, it seems). Otherwise, we don't really seem to have anyone, now that Leonard is returning to the first team squad. Looking very threadbare.

There could well have been financial imperatives to it but letting Palmer and Delap go is increasingly looking like something like (but not on the level) of Mourinho letting Salah and De Bruyne go at Chelsea. (Again, don't know the precise reasons that they went). Away from any financial issues that might've affected player dealing, my complete guess is that Guardiola is not being challenged by pragmatic voices at the club. He wants cosmopolitan aesthetes but also needs rugged players, which he seems to overlook often. Moreover, just maybe, the thrall of negative possession football is waning, and his team are being challenged with more direct football these days. The paradox of Guardiola teams, I think, is that they are based on his rigid collectivist vision and micromanagement - but the times they come alive, is when players like De Bruyne or Foden, have got into a roll and started to express themselves as individuals. There is a balance to a system and individualism and my guess is that City have got lost. But, of course, because of the players they have - and the manager - they will surely bounce back with avengeance.

If England were genuine about winning trophies the media would pay attention to the U21s and other youth levels a lot more. That's the stepping stone for many players and where the winning ability and mentality is developed - though, admittedly, the best few will by-pass it. England U21 just drew 0-0 in Spain and, it seems from highlights and reports, got battered. The result could have been 6-2, with England not hitting the target once and Spain fluffing many chances. And the FA's title for their Youtube video highlights? "Jobe impresses on first start". It's all very well paying eye-watering sums for managers of the national team, but most of the work is at the lower levels.

Dredging this up again as I noticed Ayari starting for Sweden again. He's had some starts for Brighton too, though, probably is going to be a squad player this season. Also, noticed the other day that Ben Chrisene made an England U21 appearance. Thinking back to Branthwaite, Clarkson, Harwood-Bellis (he was decent, I think, for Rovers) and others, it does seem that a lot of the times Rovers are paying for the 'privilege' to develop Premier League players for relatively little if any gain for the club. Fortunately, Owen Beck has been a success story, as loans go (thus far, because if Liverpool are still flying high, I can see them trying to recall him). It would be more palatable if we were getting comparable benefits with our outgoing loans. In most cases not, though Markanday is doing well and adding a bit of value as an asset, if nothing else - and Gent's loan success earned the club a fee. The system looks very flawed - with relative added value skewed hugely to the Premier League clubs. No doubt, Beck's transfer value will rise a lot if he finishes the season with us as player of the season. Rovers are surviving by loan patch-ups - and will do more so as our academy pipeline looks like its drying up. However, we need to have a longer term outlook. If we get a Chrisene on loan and he looks promising, we need to consider signing him up permanently and retaining and growing the value we've added. It's tough to compete for Prem players, but I think there'll be cases where it can be done, if there was a will.

Given what the handball rule looks like now, it seems that smashing free kicks and, perhaps, in other attacking situations, straight at defenders might be more fruitful than anything else. Northern Ireland won a penalty as a Belarus defender in the wall instinctively tried to protect himself - it seemed to me. On another point, looking at the highlights, it seems Scotland and Rep Ireland had some joy with traditional wing play, with Ben Doak and Mikey Johnstone running at the full back. Looks like it’s coming back into fashion after all.

George Gent looks to have done well with his move. Had a difficult start but is now one of Barnsley's best players, from what I've read.

I think it's a shame for Buckley, on a personal note, to not play. He might have passed rings around the 17 year olds and got a trial at Athletic Bilbao. At this point, it seems only a move to a slower paced league might bring the best out of him.

From what I have followed, which admittedly is far from thorough, Markanday’s performances are being misunderstood. He’s doing well and improving - holding down a first team spot and getting some goals, but he’s not blowing away the league yet. This is a league where Tyler Magloire (all credit to him for what he’s doing) can be a starter, before his terrible knee injury.

Back when Rovers closed their official fan message board, I seem to remember emerging social media was given as an alternative by the marketing/web team.

Aren’t these games perfect for the education and development of our best youngsters, to match up against opponents from probably the world’s elite nation in youth football? Why are Buckley and Baker in there? And would it serve Montgomery and Edmondson to be there (fog permitting) than away in non-league? Seems self-defeating to me. Edit: Match abandoned!