bluebruce

Calm down, I wasn't giving you shit. I was just asking if you still believed that, or if the info you're saying you heard has changed your mind on that.

If it includes an extra year, it would essentially be a three and a half year deal, as I assume we are talking 2 years from the pending summer. Which is more palatable, though I'd still say it should be a three year with an option, which is a max 4 and a half year deal. The first part of the loan really doesn't count. He was injured for the majority of it, and not yet our player. Signing him now is more like how renewing a contract would work in terms of the deal length you'd offer, you wouldn't be thinking about their previous time of service, you go from the point of the new contract kicking in, which is now. And you wouldn't give a 2.5 year deal to a player with his profile unless your hand was forced. As I say, 3.5 including an option is more agreeable and no longer ridiculous, but not what I'd have done.

Now you're saying we have a striker about to sign, have you changed your mind on all this from 8 hours ago?

Go on I'll bite. If it comes true then personally I'll think there was some substance to it this time, but looking at other posts you'll still have doubters. So to allay that, care to throw any more meat on the bone? Nationality, initials, what league they're from, something like that?

A 2 year deal for a player you pay 1.5 million for is a bit of a joke. But I barely care anymore. Incompetence is just the nature of the game now for us.

No. We are just ridiculous at accumulating keepers. Just not at keeping the good ones. Well...ridiculous at that too, just in a different way.

I put the word in your mouth, but when you say some random from Bristol City wouldn't have to be very good to be an upgrade on Toth, it suggests a very low opinion of him, one I can't imagine is shared by more than a handful of fans across the whole fanbase. I wasn't looking for confrontation, I'm just stunned you don't think he is at least a steady, dependable keeper at this level. Tbh I think you tend to form your judgements on players early and not let them go when they improve or settle in. I suspect your opinion of Toth is based 90% on him being a bit wobbly at first when he came in last season. Since we got relegated, Toth is the most dependable keeper we've had bar Kaminski, and we've tried quite a few. Obviously Raya was the most gifted, but a bit prone to errors (still really liked him overall at the time, but I can't say he was consistently dependable to the same degree as the other two). This O'Leary would have to be a very good keeper at Championship level to improve on Toth.

Seriously? You think Toth is shit?

If true, it can only mean we're looking to sell Pears or Toth. Hopefully the former but probably the latter knowing this mob.

It is strange that Gueye was kept around when the manager clearly doesn't rate him whatsoever and we had an Arab club looking to buy him for, I assume, more than we got for Leonard. If the manager didn't rate either, at least Leonard was young enough to have the potential to improve. I find it really hard to imagine that Leonard wouldn't have been getting some game time recently (even without his apparent improvement this season) whilst Gueye has been nowhere to be seen. I guess the reasons are that Gueye wasn't as out of favour with the manager at that time, as he was given some minutes earlier in the season, during which Ismael has clearly decided he has had enough. Well, between that and the alleged lack of application during training which I think meant he wasn't selected as a point of principle more than anything. In hindsight, we definitely should have sold Gueye and kept Leonard. But if you look at last season, Gueye contributed more than Leonard did so I can see why the decision was made how it was at the time. It has turned out to be the wrong one though.

That's not scary. It's terrifying.

8.6 million including add ons. Seems a lot for a lad from the Hungarian league, must have something about him. European football will help him catch the eye. 20 years old with 9 Hungarian caps already suggests he does warrant a higher fee than our own Toth, who Rudy would probably take about 2.5 million for but I wouldn't even consider it without a quality replacement in the building.

Tbf, he said he wouldn't continue with his ludicrous argument that Gueye was worse than Brown and Varney. Which he did then continue with a bit after saying that but hey. I was bored of the repetitiveness of it, and he's welcome to his opinion, so I stopped replying and he seemed to stop talking about it too. The post today is, as far as I can see, just an argument that Gueye isn't a very good striker. Which hardly anybody disagrees with and is very different to basically saying he's the worst striker to ever pull on a shirt for an extended period. So he isn't still continuing a day later in fairness.

Especially since they're billionaires and pitch spend is exempt from FFP. Crazy that some fans don't see the failure to invest in the pitch, stadium and womens team is the ultimate proof they're not just hamstrung by FFP but actively don't want to invest.

Aren't those far better numbers (since we are only halfway through the season) than that wonderkid we lost to Chelsea?

There's no point repeatedly mentioning these deadlines. Firstly, they were never deadlines, just times Val would like to have players in by. Secondly, we all knew it wouldn't happen, including yourself.

We're putting a tit against the Trotters? Sounds like bestiality.

Not when you're only willing to reinvest 10% of the Gueye fee and maybe half his wages it doesn't.

I was talking about renewals.

Having better squads is all the more reason they should have been capable of goals. Those appearance stats really do mean sod all. Starting in different countries, Gueye isn't close to done with his career. Comparing apples and oranges. Nothing cast iron about it. In fact most people seem to disagree with you. If you would pick strikers who never score then I'm glad you're not the manager. Brown is the worst striker to have had as many games as he has at Rovers in my lifetime.

We all actually watched them. We all actually watched them score zero goals over a shockingly long period. We also watched Gueye score 8 in a similar number of games. Comparing them is a non starter. I don't care about their all round games, which weren't all that they're built up to be, when you are a pair of strikers who didn't score across nearly 70 games, you're worse than one who scored 8 in a similar period. And this ignores that Gueye did cause problems for teams at times when he didn't score, especially coming off the bench. Also you say you doubt the appearances would back it up, which I think is you saying their managers backed them more. Gueye only played 3 less games for us than the two of them put together. Despite only being here for less time than Chris Brown was.

Better without doubt than Chris Brown or Luke Varney, neither of whom scored a single goal for us in 41 and 26 appearances respectively. I've no idea why you would say otherwise except for recency bias.

Just because we can swap players in and out during this window doesn't mean the 25 man squad limit doesn't have to be considered at all. It means we don't have to wait for a player to physically leave before we bring their replacement in (the budget probably does though), but it does mean we can't just bring in 3 or 4 players and crack on. We will have to consider who is left out of the squad if we can't sell them before the deadline. Our resources are finite, we can't really afford to pay wages to players who won't be available to play for half the season.

The point you were replying to initially was about the new manager saying the squad is shite. What you're saying now isn't exactly the same...but players can read between the lines and would know they're being told they're not good enough players.

Gestede: Hold my beer!