LDRover

I can only assume you haven't read these points of view where any attempt at reasonable debate is shot down with laughing emojis and disparaging and insulting comment? At least on here there is an attempt at reasoning, on there it's support the manager at all costs with no question. There is some bloke on there (Peter John Brown, think he posts on here) who gets untold abuse for stating valid opinion. That's what gets me angry as well as the shift in opinion to suit the manager's shortcomings.

I've noticed a shift in the attitudes on social media towards Mowbray. It has softened on us making the playoffs but now hardened towards this being our level and TM doing well to keep us here. Makes me so angry reading that shite.

Early in the season our first thought when getting the ball was to pass forward, now we go safe and look sideways. If that's down to the players I question their bottle but also question the manager because he has to set the players' mindsets to being more positive. For me I think this change is led by the manager and his muddled thinking regarding possession stats. I've said it before and I'll say it again, dominating the ball is not the same as dominating the opposition.

That might be correct but what Matt is driving at (I think) is that even Mowbray admits to knowing what's going wrong but does nothing to make it right.

Shite result, no positives you can take from that game. We flick from stagnation to regression from game to game and will continue in that vein until the end of the season when we go full on regression.

Paterson for Sheff Weds giving Douglas a run for his money for the worst on the pitch award.

Where is the urgency? It's like a fucking testimonial.

Really poor this. Yet again no Plan B when it's clear the sideways passing and possession isn't working. Can't for the life of me think what's happened to Holtby. Early in the season he was getting the ball on the half turn and playing quickly forward, it's sideways or backwards every time now.

Sorry to bump this thread but I watched the David Dunn Undr the cosh podcast yesterday and had to wonder why there was no mention of K**n on there. Plenty on Venkys and other managers from his playing career but nothing on Uncle Fester. Bound by NDAs or getting 'real'?

Good to see the quotes from thenodrog in point 2

Thing is, before Mowbray was appointed I defy anybody to say they'd have been happy with him as manager.

So firstly you rebutted some points of view last night by asking what tactics they would employ. Yet when an alternative is given you then say that can't happen because of a 'lack of training' and then in the next paragraph suggest a change of formation? Are you actually for real?

'The intensity was there' No Tony, it really wasn't.

You don't like making direct comparisons yet you've confidently stated Mowbray is the best manager of the last decade. To come to that conclusion you would have to have direct comparisons to all of the managers in that period. You talk of Bowyer being a victim of his own success, what success was that? Mid table in this league is not success.

Blimey, no way was mine worthy of 'hiding'? There was no malice in it just a reasoned enquiry!!

Bravo fellas!!!!

When did they step forward?

Agreed. We have to find a way to go front to back quicker. Fannying about sideways just gives teams time to organise and sit in and we never look like breaking that down.

Mowbray needs to learn that there is a difference between dominating the ball and dominating the opposition. We generally do the former and very rarely the latter.

We've not laid a glove on them. It's slow, ponderous and devoid of ideas. Where is the urgency??

So slow and ponderous. Stoke wi let us play in front of them all day. Let's see if our esteemed leader can use his famed tactical nous to get us back in the game.

Yes, like you say, 'we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes' so you are speculating based on what you think, I'm speculating based on what I perceive his treatment by the manager to be (criticism in the press, non selection etc) and past experience (Hoilett).

I'll have a tenner with you that he leaves and we hear 'we did everything we could' in the press after just like the Hoilett scenario. Taking away reasons for not selecting him, if you think that letting a contract run down to 6 months before expiry of a young talent is defendable then fair enough, I don't see it myself.

So don't put him on the bench then. If he's not fit to start, he's not fit to play as far as I'm concerned. Seems you're trying to justify Mowbray's handling of someone he wants rid of. Everything points to that and I don't recall any urgency from the manager to tie him down to another deal. Too late now, he'll be off.

So why would he be on the bench then?