You and seemingly the bloody owners are taking none of the following in to accounts; 1. The fee offered and whether it is a good offer for a player with 4 months left on his contract. 2. Rothwell’s thoughts and whether he will continue to perform if he stays with the club. 3. The player(s) lined up as his replacement 4. The dressing room and how they feel about him coming back into the fold after all this. The best person to make all of those judgements is the manager, and perhaps Waggot. Not the owners and not their pet, Suhail. You might not like Mowbray, but he’s there to make decisions about the squad of players. The owners are stupid if they don’t listen to their self appointed manager. Unless of course they’ve decided he won’t be there past June.

Well, we didn’t stay the same did we…. We replaced our combative midfielder with a ‘striker’ (don’t actually know what he is), totally exposing our two best players. No wonder we lost the midfield, we only had two players in it… and neither of them are naturally defensively minded. Absurd decision from the manager and one he needs to learn from really, really quickly if we’re to keep pace this season.

The Nyambe handball vs Preston sticks out in my mind

The best moment we created in the second half came from him being further up the pitch and zipping a ball in to BBD so that Edun could get around on the outside. Him and Rothwell are our two best players at the moment and we destroyed them tonight for the opportunity to play Gallagher.

Possibly you're right, but I don't think the ref would have sent him off for it.

I always refer to the 'Samba in the League cup semi final vs Villa' example for this one. Genuine attempt to get the ball punished twice i.e. Penalty and red card - 2 nil up, 25mins in and the game got destroyed. I was livid that night and argued with my non-Rovers uni mates that it was a completely absurd rule back then. Anyway, double jeopardy rule has come in since then so unless I'm mistaken, genuine attempts to tackle the player in the box is no longer a red card offence. Might be wrong.....

Yeh, so I think the confusing bit was Mowbray's decision to change a highly successful shape to the complete detriment of our own team, not that nobody could recognise what was going on. Game finished almost two hours ago and I'm still absoutely amazed at his decision to play Buckley and Rothwell as holding midfielders. I'd LOVE him to explain that one. In fact, if Sharpe or any other journo is reading this it should be their first question to TM whenever they get chance. Bollocks to asking about referees and penalties... That just invites platitudes and clichés and detracts from the fact TM got it badlu wrong to start with.

I've felt like this all season but this group have a knack of proving us wrong! They deserve our support for an unbelievable season so far and Ewood should be rocking on Monday night. If this is the start of a slump then it won't be for lack of effort or endeavour. Just do us all a favour Tony and stick to the shape that's got us where we currently are!

Isn't the double jeopardy rule in place to avoid straight red cards for penalties? Of course excluding zero attempt to get the ball i.e. Shirt pull etc

Why are we playing two wingers/wide attackers all of a sudden?!?! We haven't done that for at least two months and we've taken 26 points from a possible 30.... I feel like I've gone back in time!

It bloody confused me after 10 games unbeaten and arguably our most creative players completely exposed in a two man midfield. It was clear as day after 5 minutes it was a disaster.

This is exactly what I can't understand. Davenport must be wondering what he has to do. He must be abysmal in training!

What shape? The manager blew that at about 6.45pm when the team was announced. Absolutely Crackers.

Disasterclass tonight from the manager. Talked before the game about not taking opposition lightly, and sends us out without a recognised holding midfielder. Catastrophe. Big test for this group now vs Boro and Luton

Buckley has played the pass for our two big opportunities, not sure exactly why you've singled him out. Bloody Mowbray has stifled him and Rothwell by making the bizarre decision to play without a defensive midfielder. He's shoehorned Gallagher in and unbalanced us because of it. Change it now, take Gally off and put Davenport on, allow Buckley and Rothwell to take the shackles off a little bit.

Thank God Venky's bought us, eh?

Exclusive 😂 What a story. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41219627 - Crystal Palace sack De Boer... 7 games in to his tenure. Employ Hodgson to save them. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47195701 - Everton sack Marco Silva 18th in the league. Appoint a world renowned manager, sign James Rodrigues and finish..... 9th https://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2008/09/05/keegan_resigns_0908_feature.shtml Keegan leaves Newcastle 7 months after replacing Allardyce. Relegated end of that season. https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/39761704 Sunderland relegated 12 months after Allardyce kept them up (quite miraculously). Not sure your argument holds much water....

May 2010 - 10th placed finish in the PL..... December 2010 - Sack Allardyce.... cue great delight of BRFC4EVA and others... Long Live Venkys! May 2011 - Survive on last day of the season after dropping like a stone down the league. May 2012 - Relegated.... cue, 'Well we didn't know they'd appoint Kean... it's not our fault.... VENKYS OUT' But those fans who thought it was shortsighted to sack him are the fools. Amazing stuff. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. You can prattle on all you like about 'who should have been appointed', but whenever you sack a manager there is an element of risk. When you sack a manager less than a month after buying the club, with no prior experience in the sport and against the extremely sound advice of the chairman.... well, it's an accident waiting to happen. But YOU celebrated it. FOOL.

Do you remember the bit with Harry Redknapp where he told an agent that he really liked Andy Todd, and they tried to construe it as 'tapping up'. That was a terrible programme - revealed absolutely nothing. I seem to remember Alex Ferguson took up a 7 or 8 year Boycott of the BBC after the programme also made allegations against Darren.

There's a few reading and regularly posting on this thread!

Chaddy, you seem to make the mistake of thinking that our playing staff or management should share the same blind faith, sentiment and loyalty towards Rovers as the fans. Crikey, you even did it with Obafemi to an extent... berating him for not jumping in to a move with both feet. Allardyce' relationship with Rovers (and probably any of his employers) is purely business. He was brought in to keep the club in the PL and keep the TV money coming in - in exchange he was probably paid well. His final transfer window (Summer 2010), following a 10th placed finish saw him spend not a single penny in transfer fees, having to rely on the signings of Benjani on a free and Mame Biram Diouf on loan. In fact, in 09/10 and 10/11 (Kean January signings apart), Rovers were the third lowest spenders in the PL (and yes, I'm including relegated teams from both seasons). The likes of Burnley, Hull and WBA all spent at least one of those seasons in the Championship and still outspent us. Wigan spent £27m in those two seasons, Stoke £42m, Sunderland £67m, Wolves £35m, Hull and Burnley spent £18m.... we spent £11m - we finished above every single one of them in 09/10. The purse strings were tied shut - none of the Walkers liked football, none of them wanted Rovers, none of them had any ambition for the club and Allardyce was their way of spending nothing and keeping the cash coming in. Excuse him for considering alternative employment that would have meant far less work and far more money to live out in Dubai - a place we know he loves. A lot of his detractors told us that the problem wasn't sacking Allardyce, it was the appointment of Kean.... but I can't think of too many managers that could have outperformed or even matched his performance with no money. Suggestions at the time were O'Neill (spent £92m at Villa the two seasons before his sacking... finished 6th both seasons), Holloway (FFS), Martin Jol (spent £25m in two seasons at Fulham and finished 9th and 12th respectively) and COYLE 😂 Oh and finally, here are the thoughts of two of Rovers' senior players regards Venky's decision to sack him. "I am devastated for Sam, he had an absolutely fantastic relationship with all of the players. Everyone respected him. He took the club out of the doldrums really. We were in massive trouble with no money. He solidified us and put us into a top-10 position, and again he did it on a shoe-string. I'm just getting over the shock of it. We've got to get over it, but at the moment I want to say, and I can speak for nearly all the players I'm sure, that they will be devastated. He was a very likeable character." Ryan Nelsen “I am not going to lie. I was horrified. I was captain and a big figure at the club. When you look at the budget table, we were probably close to the bottom. We were overachieving. Sometimes it was not the prettiest football but I don’t care as long as we win. There had been some whispers at the club about Sam leaving. It was very disappointing for most of the dressing room." Chris Samba

Correct, and therein lies the problem. Wouldn't trust them to find their arse with both hands, never mind a competent manager. They stumbled upon Mowbray and he's been the best of a really poor bunch.

Not withstanding the fact Allardyce is 10 years older than Hughes. In fact, about 10 years ago Allardyce took a fairly similar job... the West Ham one. Got promoted first time of asking and stabilised them as a PL club again.

😂😂😂 11 years and 9 managers later.... seems some still haven't learnt their lesson.