RevidgeBlue

I'm in that boat of not having renewed yet initially due to laziness on my part but now given recent events I feel in a bit of a quandary. Do I fork out £430 which will more likely than not disappear into the ether and make not a ha'peth of difference to the current situation whereby we have not signed the players we need and in the case of a striker or two haven't signed the players we need for the last four windows? Do I show my disapproval for professional gravy train merchants like Waggott and Broughton by refusing to line their pockets even further? Or is that turning my back on the Club I've supported all my life? Can I be bothered wasting any more of my time watching dire players like Gallagher and Hedges? Or on the other hand might the likes of Adam Wharton and Harry Leonard make the experience vaguely worthwhile? Quite a bit to ponder.

But but ..........but we have Dominic Hyam in the side. Secret lovechild of Colin Hendry and Franz Beckenbauer according to many. Or at least allegedly the best CH we've had in the last 10 years or so.

Comes across very much the other way round in the minutes. I realise theat from the Club's point of view the FF has always been a box ticking exercise to some extent but these days it appears from the minutes to be the case that the Club sets out their position on a particular matter and everyone either agrees or says nothing. There doesn't appear to be much if any critical analysis at all.

Looking increasingly unlikely I'd agree.

Oops sorry. 😳

What? On balance I'd rather he stayed and had another crack at it but how does missing out on the Championship play offs qualify him for managing ANY Premier League side let alone one with Champions League expectations like Spurs?

Or if they're not paying enough attention and being led down the garden path again. Disclaimer: Even if that was the case that doesn't make them good owners before people accuse me of defending them again.

in devil's advocate mode they seemingly agreed to shell out huge wages for O Brien. Was that calamity their fault as well and why would they do that but refuse to pay for a new pitch? As a point of order I think the top of the pitch was reseeded and relaid as is usual last season and bits of the pitch replaced with the latest technology but of course the entire infrastructure desperately needs replacing from undersoil heating upwards.

So Waggott has slid quietly into the background and survived another year. The most notable of his "accomplishments" this season appears to be that a potential match day mascot was denied the chance to fulfil the role because not only did he have to wear the current shirt, we didnt have any stock left for his parents to purchase. And swanning around at St. Andrews as various transfer deadline day deals went tits up. Surely to God he must be nearing retirement by now. It will be a happy day when he finally departs the Club. I don't expect us or the size of the fanbase to be in a particularly healthy state by that stage but it will be a victory of sorts if he leaves with our infrastructure such as Brockhall still intact. Counting down the days..........

Depends who has the final say. The owners have previously played hardball on player valuations but everything Broughton has said since arriving at the Club suggests he wants to turn us into the Championship equivalent of Crewe Alexandra -right from his very first interview.

Pretty uncalled for seeing as the Fans Forum appears to have become little more than a tea and biscuits Club nodding along in agreement with everything the Football Club comes up with. Someone has to hold the Club to account with a critical eye even if you are not prepared to.

The more offerings I hear from Broughton the more I despair. The guy is a bs merchant extraordinaire. He must think the supporters are completely thick in trying to make out the season can be viewed positively because during the final disastrous run in various irrelevant "performance metrics" allegedly improved. There are only 2 indicators that ultimately matter, scoring more goals in a game than you let in at the other end and securing enough points to secure promotion. I also see in an LT article that we're thinking of employing a throw in coach. Absolute insanity - we need a decent squad of players and a couple of decent strikers before we start fannying around with window dressing like that.

Why? We may have secured the points yesterday but did so when it was too late. We had eight "must win" games prior to that and failed to win a single one! If we had that run at the start of the season people would be going apoplectic! And (I stand to be corrected) isn't that the first time we've come from behind to win all season? Doesn't scream "winning mentality" to me.

Obviously. If I wanted success every week I could just follow Celtic, Rangers or (temporarily) City. I don't expect us to win every week, I just expect players and management to give us supporters a fair shake of the stick which I don't think they have been doing for many seasons now and particularly not during the capitulations in each of the last two seasons. (52 years. 2 major trophies, 3rd Division Championship, several unsuccessful play off attempts and another 4 promotions I think? So something to celebrate on average once every 5 and a half years and some of that done with absolutely no money let alone billionaire owners pumping in £20m p.a. Falling well behind that average imo)

"Trust in the process" seems to be the main buzzword at the moment for pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.

Hmmm......I have absolutely no axe to grind with you as you are an excellent poster but perhaps you shouldn't be so presumptuous as to tell other people what or what not to do with their time. After all these years of watching the Club I am quite capable of working out what gives me satisfaction. I'm sure you are too and from my point of view rounding the season off with 8 points from 27 to miss out on a play off place on goal difference does not float my boat irrespective of a spirited second half performance yesterday. I know there seems to be a growing number of supporters who seem to get their enjoyment from merely attending matches and enjoying the day out and to whom the result seems almost irrelevant win lose or draw. If you're in that boat good luck to you, I've never been one of those and I hope the overwhelming majority don't reach that point whereby tolerance of failure is almost universally accepted by which point imo you've let charlatans like Waggott (who I think you've previously rightly said you wouldn't employ to sweep the car park) win.

If you're going to be pedantic I feel compelled to point out thats completely irrelevant as a draw was no use to us, we needed a win in any event regardless of other results. By the time we took the lead for the first time at 4-3 on 86 mins the game was long since up as Sunderland had gone 3 up some 19 minutes earlier

Nail, hammer, head Bryan.

"Celebrations?" What was there to celebrate exactly? OK, quick question, would the "euphoria" have been the same if hypothetically the same set of results had occurred but this time the victory was not enough to prevent us being relegated as opposed to not being enough to get us into the play offs? I'd have expected a very muted reaction from players and fans alike in that instance (think Dennis Law after relegating Man Ure in 1974) and I can't see that yesterday was any different. Celebrating wildly after securing an irrelevant win was on a par with going bananas after scoring a consolation goal in a 5-1 defeat to me. I'm sure you've heard the expression, "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser". We've in general a team of losers out on the pitch and that losing mentality has transmitted itself to the fan base to the point where expectations appear to have been dumbed down so much that a fairly dismal failure is actually perceived as acceptable or even a glorious defeat.

I'm not sure how you could possibly view yesterday's game in isolation irrespective of the other results. I was sat there glumly thinking it was all completely irrelevant bearing in mind that by the time we finally went ahead Sunderland were already home and hosed. In fact I was somewhat irritated that the players seemed to be celebrating yesterday's irrelevant result like we'd secured automatic promotion or something when they'd barely lifted a finger during the previous eight games when it actually mattered and would have made a difference had they put a shift like yesterday in.

I'm definitely not optimistic, I'd class missing out on the play offs as an unmitigated disaster given where we were with ten games to go. Also going into next season without a single credible striker on the books. Eerily reminiscent of when Lambert walked out. However if Carlsberg did summers - Sack Waggott and Broughton - Appoint a competent and progressive CEO, bring in an actual experienced DOF if sticking with that model and if JDT is staying give him some workable backing. - 2 decent strikers - offload rubbish like Gallagher and Hedges -Keep Adam Wharton at all costs -No more shite loanees - Let's see more of Phillips -Let's sign some oven ready Championship performers and see where it takes us and stop talking about journeys or projects which may or may not work out in the dim and distant future. (Then the alarm went off)

Quite surprised at the amount of stick he gets, for all he might have been coasting recently he's still been far and away our most likely goal threat. Would have liked to have seen him utilised down the middle personally rather than isolated hugging the left touchline. Don't think he owes us anything, was completely ignored for 18 mths by Mowbray and did well to resurrect his career. Don't think he owes us anything, wish him all the best abroad.

With devil's advocate hat on, is he really? He's just finished behind Mowbray who was himself managing a newly promoted squad.

Well, no it doesn't, funny how how we only came to life when we KNEW it was too late ie when Sunderland were 2 then 3 goals up.after showing absolutely nothing in the previous EIGHT games before that. Second season in a row as well. Absolutely Sickening. This set of players haven't got it and there must be massive question marks about the manager as well but he probably deserves another chance at it.

Have to disagree. He's not good enough end of. You can't have a first eleven that's upto the job then a supporting cast that's simply isn't up to it.