RevidgeBlue

Christ I thought he was a female the way you just refer to him as Kimberley! Lol. So he was a scout for Celtic before coming here. Perhaps telling he has essentially only an Academy background like Broughton. Another one that needs the bullet (metaphorically speaking before J*B calls the Police) come the revolution.

Blimey. I think you've got completely the wrong end of the stick there J*B.

Who exactly is this Kimberley of which you speak and where has she popped up from?

Surely he can do better than Ennis/Hirst/ Telalovic and Wahlstedt though regardless of budget? And I'm sorry, imo there's NO excuse whatsoever for signing Ennis who isn't even fit enough for professional football. That would tend to indicate we don't do any due diligence or research into our signings

It implies blame if the manager leaves us in the same or a worse position than the one in which he found us or praise if he left us in a better one. I'm in the Camp that he left the Club in a very poor underlying state of health and I expected the wheels to completely fall off last season albeit I was 12 months out. You seemingly have the opposite view.

The obvious move isn't it.....must be more expensive/not as beneficial to certain agents maybe?

It would seem they don't care enough to play close enough attention to what he's up to as long as he meets some basic targets or he's acting strictly under instruction. But if the latter, why would they want the Club running into the ground?

You keep mentioning this as if I'd said Mowbray blew a £100m transfer budget. He obviously didn't but was very well backed overall in terms of transfer and wage budget and we lost c£20m p.a. for each of the 5 years he was in charge, so yes he went through £100m worth of owner funding with absolutely nothing to show for it at the end of the day. I don't even believe we stood still under him as he and Waggott failed to tie down key players and so he left us with half a team after the departures of Lenihan Rothwell Nyambe JPVH Khedra and the team finished the second half of his last season in relegation form even before that. If managers at other Clubs had performed similarly with similar funding I'd say they performed pretty disastrously as well.

We have a relationship with Brentford? Are they in the German 4th Division?

Not much point arguing about this at length, JH and you have your view and I have mine but you'd have thought GB would have outlined to them the basics of the deal and they'd have given the go ahead before GB went too far down the line with it. If GB didn't explain the financial ramifications properly that's on him.

Yep. No heads rolled which you would expect. Then again Shaw initially survived the Berg fiasco and Waggott escaped having to back down on the proposed sale of the training ground without censure so maybe it's just par for the course under their ownership.

Sometimes the most obvious explanation is the correct one and I think it's a bit of a stretch to attribute this to anything other than the grossest incompetence. Does it look more or less fishy that we cocked up 2 deals? This and a relatively low value one? Mind you IF the deals were deliberately sabotaged I don't think it would have come from the owners who would have had to ok the deals in the first place. More likely a certain penny pinching, cost cutting employee.

Never really understood that argument. Losses are still losses even if they can be used to reduce your tax bill elsewhere. You'd be better off without them.

The cock up looks a bit suspicious, but why would a cock up be ordered when they would have had to give the deal the go ahead in the first place? Also why waste money going to appeal? If you didn't want it to go through you'd save money and let it lie on the off chance any appeal was successful!

Fair comment. The story goes that all the land in and around Pune was divided up between their father and either one or two other local business men, I don't recall which.

I don't think it is, that's where their real wealth comes from.

Yes, but do they run their core businesses at home with ruthless efficiency? That was the point being made. If they do (which I have to doubt in the circumstances) then their ownership here admittedly looks even stranger.

Fascinating. Thank you. The main things I took from that is that there's a 15 minute Lee way period if you submit a quick application until 23.15 and the Club STILL couldn't submit the documents on time. Incompetence on a stunning level. Also when we received LOB's signed loan agreement back at 23.15 if we'd submitted it to the EFL instantly we might have got away with it but didn't submit it until 23.28. Unbelievable Jeff.

Not sure if they need "praising" for it as it's them who's created that level of loss in the first place by allowing incompetents to run the gaffe and allowing money to be consistently wasted like water over the years. However I can't see the harm in acknowledging the level of contribution over the years. Whether it be £15m or £20m p.a. that's a hell of a lot of money to me. If you dont think that's a lot, that's up to you. If they'd been putting less in over the years also presumably we wouldn't have been able to run as big a wage bill and wouldnt have been as competitive. I think we're seeing that now when in addition to the Court proceedings the tax laws have allegedly changed to our detriment. So I see it more as their contribution as to be acknowledged rather than praised If they'd employed better people over the years and achieved a lot more success on the pitch for the same financial input then that would have been praiseworthy.

I'm still not really sure what you're on about, I'm fairly sure the Venky's haven't "set up" these Court proceedings it looks like they've been foisted upon them. As regards funding Rovers from one of their other entities outside India, I'm really not sure about the legality or otherwise of that. Isn't funneling money where it shouldn't be going the very reason why they attracted the attention of the authorities in the first place?

I don't remember that at all. Who was name checked and criticised or do you have a link to it?

Did we miss that Appeal Commission report? Who was found culpable and negligible?

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean. I can't see why Venky's would invent a series of events which paint them in a desperately poor light and which involve them having committed acts of illegality. They could just say "We're not prepared to put in the same level of funding anymore" Didn't Mike Graham reproduce Court pleadings which related to the finances?

Yeah - whatever - aren't you the guy who thinks the stories about the restrictions and having to go to Court to release funds are all fabricated?

I didn't say that larger attendances automatically equated to success on the pitch but if you can get 33% more fans in without losing any net revenue then no-one can seriously suggest that's a bad thing. Not for the first time you're trolling for the sake of it.