Yes, we're so much better off with no-one.

You must have read that differently to me then 1864, I read it as refunds were not an option and the only way you would be able to get any satisfaction would be in the way of some form of credit note against next season. If we ever decide what we're doing for next season that is. It would be interesting if someone pressed it and said they want a refund now for last season and are not interested at this point in a credit note against next season, they will make their purchase decision for next season from scratch then. And see what the Club say.

Hope your optimism is well placed chaddy.

Extremely worrying. Looks like we can't afford refunds for people that want them and are just robbing people off with various excuses. So to summarise: - According to the manager, no news or at least no clarity on a budget for next season - Season ticket holders who want them can't have relatively small refunds for the latter part of last season - We can't be bothered signing anyone up for some sort of season ticket package for next season - As of the end of July the owners stopped topping up the wages of furloughed employees Hmm..... it's not looking too good imo.

Errrr..... what signings are these exactly?

I'd rather see our own player, Wharton, given a chance here rather than be used as a make weight in a deal without ever seeing the light of day here Jack O Connell style.

Seems odd to me that we would wish to pay for this guy without presumably giving his partner Wharton a shot for free.

Disagree strongly, ability not age is the key. Walton was 24 and should have been plenty old enough but turned out to be the worst keeper I've ever seen. Joe Hart is 33 and has bags of "experience" but would just be an older and way more expensive version of Walton. Jason Steele also had plenty of "experience" by the time he arrived here but on the whole he was similarly useless. We don't want another crap keeper purely on the basis they're "experienced".

A couple of weeks ago I thought it was possibly fair enough for the Club to sit back and see which way the wind was blowing but the problem as I see it is that with the Government now bottling it on a daily basis and reversing the easing of lockdown restrictions at the drop of a hat on a fairly random and arbitrary basis, it might not become clear what the situation is until a few days before the season starts. By that point, it will be far too late to start selling packages from scratch imo. What we should have done is made a proactive decision and offered cheaper renewals priced on the basis either the entire season would be BCD and available on I player again or on the basis that a percentage would be BCD. So for example if the price of a "normal" season ticket is £45 p.m. then the price of an I follow ST could be £22.50 p.m. and renewals could be taken at the lower rate initially and amended upwards once ST holders are allowed back in grounds. At least this way the Club would have had some cashflow, and the majority of the people who wanted to renew would have been signed up in good time and we wouldn't have been scrabbling about potentially having to sign up 8500 people in a few days. It would surely be the easiest thing in the world to amend people's direct debits whenever fans were going to be allowed in and to increase the monthly payments accordingly. It's at times like this that you see what people are made of and not surprisingly I think with Waggott we're being left feeling extremely underwhelmed. Anyone could do nothing and not make a decision, and not need to be paid £300k p.a. not to do it!

Been said before but they picked Mowbray who apparently you're happy with so that rather defeats your argument.

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that we'll never get promoted from the Championship under Mowbray and probably won't even seriously challenge for the play offs so with that in mind I'd rather give Damien Johnson a chance to see what he can do rather than do nothing and stick with Mowbray who we know won't get us anywhere. If Johnson fails, so be it, we'd have to get a more experienced man, in but at least we tried something as opposed to doing nothing and resigning ourself to failure season after season.

I think Steele is a bit better than Walton but with either of them more or less every time the opposition attempt a shot on target it results in a goal.

Lol. No, I don't think he had seen it. I certainly hadn't. My ears are ringing from the deafening sound of an extremely deep barrel being scraped. It would be the ultimate piss take if having replaced Steele because he wasn't good enough we ended up with him again three years later.

According to someone I was speaking to this morning we're after Chris Brunt. Not for me personally as he's 36 in December but the source thought this was an indication we had no money. Also if the source is correct Downing has been on very healthy money here indeed so I'd have thought he'd need to agree a massive cut to be here next season. I'd steer clear of both personally.

Graham's done all right at times and not so well at others such as the season we went down and the first part of the season inLeague 1. No where near in the same bracket as Rhodes imo and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as a player of the quality of Samba.

I know what he's done in the past and on the basis of what I saw last season if we were bringing in a 29 year old Downing it'd be a good move. He's not good enough now if we want to challenge imo.

Can't decide if this is a spoof post or not. If you'd pay 10k for next year's season ticket and they actually come out at "only" 5k to help the Club, would you buy mine for me? ?

That's Smallwood type talk imo. "Give him another 12 months because he's a good old boy around the place." Downing did a lot better than I expected he would when he signed but he hasn't been earth shattering. Time to let him move on with our good wishes. We need better if we're to challenge.

It's an excuse to give Richie a new 12 month deal so he can stay on and teach this bloke how to play like him and Corry.

We couldn't be that lucky that we'd finally see the back of Evan's.

Not true imo. At the end of Bowyer's tenure it was looking very much like he might take us into League 1. He was sacked and replaced with Lambert who theoretically should have been a massive upgrade on Bowyer. It turned out he wasn't but he nevertheless just about managed to keep us up. Then Coyle was definitely taking us down and was replaced by Mowbray who did reasonably when he first came in and nearly kept us up. So it does seem maybe they do sit up and take notice if it looks like we're in danger of relegation. Since promotion though Mowbray always seems to have had the knack of pulling out a couple of unexpected results just in time after we've been on a long losing run so we've never actually been in the danger zone for a sustained period. There's only so long you can keep getting away with it like that I'd have thought.

I'm going to stick up for the Club a bit on this one, would you be happy paying for a normal season ticket on the strength that it was thought limited numbers would be allowed in at the start of next season then being offered an I follow subscription like now instead because the Government subsequently bottled it and only decided to let fans in grounds in January or with ten games to go? I'm guessing not but how could you unspend and refund money that had already been spent? It might be that it is sensible at the moment to wait and see how the land lies generally before committing to a final decision.

Agreed, but it's the modern touchy feely way of the world isn't it. If I was a Birmingham fan gutted at his departure I'd be highly insulted by that. It's almost like the Board are celebrating the money received from his sale so they can have more bubbly at the shareholders meeting or something.

Absolutely cracking post. Spot on. I've been saying the same thing since this time last year but in pure footballing terms there is absolutely no incentive to get a season ticket and any renewal would have to be made on the basis of blind loyalty to the Club rather than any realistic assessment of our prospects under the current manager. Then there are also the logistical hurdles presented by the Corona virus which unlike the football side of things are something outside of the Club's control. I would gladly attend a match as normal but I can't really see the point in purchasing a season ticket if you can't sit in the same seat every week. Nor do I fancy the possibility of having to turn up hours before a game, hang around with no facilities, sit at socially distanced intervals, wear a mask outdoors or be detained in the stadium after the game whilst a staggered exit takes place. I might feel a lot more inclined to put up with all that crap if the owners made a bold and imaginative change of Chief executive, manager, and his coaching staff and gave us a sliver of hope but right now a season ticket in the normal sense of the word seems a particularly unappealing prospect.

Fair comment.