RevidgeBlue

It's becoming increasingly hard to disagree with any of that but is your comment about the V's not giving two hoots not completely at odds with your post the other day about them being determined to bring Farke in and being disappointed that Mowbray's departure had not been announced by those who they pay to do such things? Edit: beaten to it by DD above who was obviously thinking similar.

Of course he is.

Exactly this. He's been more than happy to draw a huge salary for the last 5 and a bit seasons without a murmur of dissent. If the situation was that intolerable, why didn't he pipe up or just walk out? The owners have stood by him over the years when most would have sacked him due to poor results and now he thinks finally he might not be getting a new deal he's sticking the boot in and making the job sound less attractive to the next manager. "If I can't have the job I'll make sure no-one else wants it." At a properly run Club he'd have been removed out of the fray well before now and thereby prevented from commenting on anything like this. However maybe Waggott is also brassed off that he might be leaving and said "Say what you want Tony, no skin off my nose". Pair of absolute charlatans. Good riddance to both of them hopefully.

You just know it's coming though.

"Oh, hello Mrs. Desai." "Yes I'm fine thanks. How are you, rest of the family OK.?" "How much did you say? Where's my pen?"

From the January window , I drew that it was not one that you would expect from a Club with any genuine aspirations of promotion. Far from it. However IF they made an impressive appointment like Farke or Dyche and funded him properly I wouldn't draw any adverse conclusion from that. I'd be more inclined to think they'd learned from their mistake in January. If however they give Mowbray a new deal or make a really disappointing appointment in the Woodgate ilk I'd be more inclined to start coming round to your point of view that we will never prosper under there ownership despite what might be promised to the contrary. The proof of the pudding is in the eating at the end of the day.

The problem with that sort of comment is that it deflects from the main issue which is that whether he is a plant or a genuine account he is talking absolute Horlicks. That main point is then further diluted by people like Paul chipping in feeling sorry for him.

Yet you had no problem with either yourself or others slagging off Ainsworth on the basis of his appearance.

I'd like to know what he means by "finish the job". Take us down to League 1 like he did originally? (Yes yes I know it wasn't all his fault)

About his level. And he'd be nearer his family. A match made in heaven.

Even twelve months would be twelve months too long for me. I would rather see ANYONE (that hasn't already been here and failed that is) get the gig than Mowbray. Reason being, we know for a fact Mowbray is a failure. With a new appointment, no matter how unpromising it may look on paper (I.e. Woodgate) there is always that tiny 1% chance they may confound us and exceed all expectations no matter how unlikely it might seem.

So IF (long way off) they make a top class appointment and provide in your words "significant funding" that's somehow a machiavellian plot to stifle any progression? Does not compute.

I've no idea why people complain about people complaining about a lack of enthusiasm when the results aren't good enough in the first place!

That would be Chaddy's wet dream. Farke AND a Director of Football!

Fully agree. It's virtually impossible to succeed without a really good manager and very difficult to succeed if you haven't got good people behind the scenes.

Fully agree on para 3.

I find it incredible how some fans now are seemingly happy to see us do badly and don't seem that bothered whether we will, lose or draw or go on record bad runs etc etc. I clearly remember in Bob Saxton's day a section of the Blackburn End storming the normally sedate Nuttal St Stand enclosure sending Messrs. Fox and Bancroft scurrying for the sanctuary of the Boardroom!. Funny wasn't the word for it.

I really really hope you're right on the Farke front. IF he is appointed would you agree that would represent a fairly significant step forward as regards their ownership given he's the best we could realistically get? What though do you Make of Mowbray saying "He'd wait and see what they had to say" in a phone call sometime over the next week. That doesn't sound like a man who wants to leave to me.

Oops good point!

Or maybe it's simply because they have never appointed a genuinely tip class manager?

Sorry Chaddy. I meant your source that he'd only come back to us because a move had broken down.

He was a driver/chauffeur for them as well in a previous incarnation seemingly.

Tony, what if the Club and Mowbray had previously agreed his situation would be discussed at the end of the playing season? (Whenever that was). Secondly, as a point of order I have never tried to convince people that the owners are any different to when they walked in the door. All I did was report that other people were told some time ago about extremely promising changes in general were in the offing, which,if they had happened, would have possibly indicated a shift in the owners attitude. I said a few weeks ago I personally couldn't see much evidence of those changes being put into effect (apart from the community work) Nevertheless the people in question are still trying their best and if some posters on here knew the lengths they were going to (even as we speak) to try and help the Club they would hang their head in shame. Whether the Club accepts or acts on this offer of help and assistance is a different matter entirely of course. You can take a horse to water and all that. However the help support and assistance is there if they want it.

What were you saying earlier about "reading between the lines"? Instead of simply confirming he's off he's said he'll wait and see what the owners have to say and whilst it wouldnt be his first choice, it might be nice being a DOF. Seems a fairly clear "I would like a new deal as manager. Failing that I would consider a role as DOF".

The hyperbole is necessary because he's been THAT bad a manager. - Just finished with 17 points from 19 games to avoid getting in the play offs. - Another record breaking run last season (for the wrong reasons) - 2 very disappointing seasons before that and various death spirals. Yet some people still seem to think he's all right. I just don't get it. It's like they support Tony Mowbray and not the Club.