RevidgeBlue

Weird situation. That would tend to suggest either that they hadnt actually made a final decision on Mowbray's future and the devious old bastard caught them on the hop with his comments and they don't know what to do now, or that Waggott is going as well against his will and is sulking in a huff somewhere. The latter still wouldn't preclude the Club from putting out the usual generic statement thanking him/them for their service though. Did Miller say it was the end of season awards (Ha!) tonight? I hope anyone unfortunate enough to have forked out on a ticket for same does not let Waggott off the hook.

Not making it up. If you were to check back you'll notice I posted accordingly at the time.

Yet after four abysmal seasons under Mowbray you still claim to want to persist with him.

And Mowbray isn't even fit to lace Mackay's shoelaces.

I did hear positive whispers on that front immediately after he left Burnley but nothing since. Completely agree though we shouldn't really be looking beyond Farke or Dyche if the owners are really serious about changing things.

Heaven forbid. I've been of the view all season he'd be leaving at the end of his contract but given the circumstances of Mowbray's comments before the Bournemouth game, the longer we have radio silence from the Club the more worried I am that the first utterance from them on the subject will be Waggott saying it's all been a bit of a misunderstanding and they're still hopeful of persuading Tony to extend his stay. The champagne I put on ice in anticipation of official word on his departure is going rather warm.

That's what petrifies me. Is there a price for Mowbray on any of the lists?

Oooo.......Source war.

Absolutely. The next bad appointment could be the last one.

As you would say "sources"? Are you basing those names on any specific information or are you just plucking random names out of thin air off the betting lists? Edit: See you've replied to Miller. I wouldn't put too much store on what Nixon says.

Click bait. If you put enough of it out, some of it is bound to come to fruition.

Yep, well, if the next appointment bombs you'll be able to have your moment in the sun and tell us all (and me in particular) "I told you so".

I think it would be fairly risky to appoint Di Matteo given he hasn't managed since 2016. Yes QPR appear to have already made initial overtures to Manning. And we have done what? We haven't even got round to scrawling Tony's "Dear John" letter yet. Do we know next season starts early?

Like I said to Gav wouldn't be happy with the appointment (at all) but even so I doubt he could do much worse than Mowbray. You seem pretty quick to jump on this particular rumour but don't seem as keen to get excited about the Farke rumours or the fact that he is favourite in the betting......... Neither mean much at this stage of course.

I'm not doing or failing to do any job whatsoever for Venky's as you well know. Stop being mischievous. I wouldn't be happy with Cocu but he could hardly do any worse than Mowbray could he? "Here's £100 over the next 5 years, see if you can get us up to 11th"

O Rourke was completely wrong in January about Rothwell. Was talking absolute nonsense so I wouldn't expect the vague comment about Cocu being in the running to be any different. Can't be proved or disproved either way unless he's actually appointed.

In answer to the second paragraph, he's the one that makes the decisions on players coming in and out so he's the one responsible for paying Mulgrew £2m over 2 seasons to pay for Fleetwood, for paying the likes of Smallwood Hart and Gladwin not to play/or train with us, for giving Downing and Johnson new deals when they didn't warrant it, for giving numerous lucrative new deals to ageing or substastandard players such as Graham, Bennett and Evans etc. £5m for the useless Gallagher plus £20k p.w. and then an extended contract despite failing to impress. Another £20k p.w. for Ayala to generally sit in the treatment room. A Greek keeper who seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth, 4 year deal for the useless Pears etc etc. But yes, you're absolutely right, it is the owners fault he has been allowed to carry on and on and on. It was obvious to me he wasn't up to it at this level relatively soon after our return to the Championship in Jan or Feb 2019.

If that did happen, it would be partly down to the state Mowbray has left us in anyway.

Spot on den. I pointed this out some years ago. All this talk of journeys and long term plans was to deflect away from the lack of obvious progress in the here and now and that we would all wake up some years later to find we were no better off than when we started. Well here we are. Mowbray has pulled the wool over everyone's eyes for long enough. Unbelievably some people still seem to be taken in by it all, worrying about what will happen when he leaves.

Haven't read through the accounts you posted but does the 2021 figure include the notional £16m cash injection for the transfer of the training ground? Without that losses for the 4 years would therefore have been £22.6, £21.9, £18.2 and £16.8 which is in line with what I've been saying. C £20m p.a.

The distinction between Mackay and Mowbray really couldn't be any starker though. One has burnt through £100m quid + of the owners money to get us absolutely nowhere and leave us with half a first X1 for next year. The other achieved far more on the pitch than the former did on I don't know, 1/50th of the budget? And then was moved aside because we had managed to land one of the greatest managers of all time. Don seemed to take it very badly at the time and seems to have harboured a simmering resentment about the way he was treated ever since. Nevertheless that's business and surely no-one can deny it was for the best. All the same he fully deserved the gratitude and recognition for his commendable performance on a financial shoestring. Mowbray?

100%.

Good grief, I can't believe Im reading that! As you know Nick, I have the utmost respect and admiration for the selfless work that you and your colleagues have put in for the last 12-18 months trying to point the Club gently in the right direction but I couldn't disagree more strongly with the above. Firstly Im not sure how anyone can say we're in a better place now than before Mowbray was appointed with the Club (or rather the owners) another £100m in debt and half the first team departing for nothing in the summer. Secondly he's acted like he's doing everyone a favour by being here in the latter part of his reign, and he is actually extremely lucky that the owners seem to have been of the view that a contract is a contract and that he's been allowed to see his out despite runs of desperately disappointing results season after season. So to praise his "devotion" is a bit of a stretch to put it mildly. Thirdly, and I think this is the most important point which I think everyone is completely missing, presumably Mowbray's contract ends on the usual date of 30th of June. The owners are under no obligation whatsoever to enter into contract negotiations at any minimum period prior to this date. Of course if they wanted him to stay but but left it until the day before his contract expired they'd run the risk of him getting fed up of waiting and having made alternative arrangements elsewhere but that's the risk they take. The point is even more pertinent when you consider that we only knew for absolute certain what our fate would be on Saturday evening. Of course the Club COULD have announced at the end of January he was leaving at the end of the season no matter what or COULD have given him a new contract back at the end of January when we were doing well. However I'm guessing that very few people would have wanted him to get a new deal if we missed out on the play offs, conversely the vast majority would have been in favour of him getting a new deal of some sort had he taken us up and those same people would have thought to announce his departure in January harsh in the extreme. I think waiting until our fate was clear was exactly the right and common sense thing to do and imo Mowbray has jumped the gun and pre-empted the Club to get everyone feeling sorry for him. (I've been told he's made the unilateral decision to retire anyway although how true that is I don't know) Imo he's played everyone, the owners, the supporters, and the media like an absolute fiddle.

Hope so. Would be interesting to see if he can get any sort of reaction but the ship has probably sailed for him in terms of getting the job full time.