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They all took us over in different circumstances. Mowbray overtook a much worse squad that was destined for League 1. Beside that one summer when we spent £10m on top of a League 1 squad, like the other 2, the owners fucked everything up. Numerous summers spending little, limits on who we could trade, selling a key player and not reinvesting etc. As they always do. Now we have a manager far worse than all 3 of them, and with the owners still screwing us over.

Did Gudjohnsen grow into the game? And Kargbo has no use. Even in the circumstances you suggest, he has nothing to offer. Horrendous player.

In the second half, we werent "much better" at all. We was crap all game. Poor manager, poor players, lets blame everyone but ourselves. We deserved to lose because our incompetence saw us concede more than the opposition. Im guessing these are more points we can add to our ficticious league table.

Im sure our crap manager will deflect by whinging about the referee off the back of a 4th successive home loss. But we are absolutely dire. A poor manager "aligned" in the recruitment of some absolutely terrible footballers to replace good ones, all with the sole intention of slashing costs. Kargbo is an absolute joke of a footballer. Gudjohnsen was terrible. We had 3 new signings on the bench, they are that bad that only one came on and for 1 minute. Miller is a really poor centre back. Another signing we made is injured long term but we signed him knowingly. You can see why a club promoted from League 1 lent us TGH. Poor manager, poor players in front of a depressingly sparse Ewood crowd.

Is there a reason why those failed transfers have been put specifically and solely onto him?

The decision is not the point. I never said it was the right decision either. But we need to get over it now, its been and gone, weve played a game since where we got battered in. Doesnt need a mention.

I see Gardner-Hickman has been rolled out to do an interview on the official twitter saying how its his "second" home debut and to have a bit of a whinge about it again.

Under a manager who once said that attacks win you matches but defences win you titles. Clearly, the ONLY way to win games isnt by going all out attack.

The naivety is astounding.

Is that true?

Its hard to gauge how he is perceived overall. He obviously wasnt well received at first but he seemed to charm quite a few over the summer based on what he said. He was "aligned" with this "project" of bringing in players who are already materialising in the main to be a huge downgrade and some seemed to be fooled by it. I think his record is 6 wins, 3 draws and 10 defeats. He is a poor manager happy to do as he is told and blame everyone else but the club and as such will be here for the duration.

I know new owners often want their own man/a fresh start and acknowledged that in my post. We saw that here in dreadful circumstances. But that doesnt change the discussion surrounding whether they deserve to lose their job. If one neutral fan asks another neutral fan whether they think a club should sack their manager or not, a new owner at that club has absolutely no relevance. So in this instance, we support neither United nor Spurs. But if the logic was that Ange should have kept his job owing to a cup victory whilst finishing was it 17th in the league, something I didnt agree with, then surely Ten Hag who finished I think 8th that season warranted the same outcome. Whether they had new owners coming in should bare no relevance towards your opinion considering that is what you would do. Im pretty sure that at the time, you did actually say that Ten Hag should have been kept and backed with new players anyway, although I might be wrong.

Why do new owners/senior management change whether it makes sense to keep or change a manager? Might make it more likely to trigger a change, but it doesnt change whether they SHOULD make a change.

Didnt you say at the time that they should have backed him in the summer and kept him? And why would a cup win in spite of a poor league campaign not keep one man in a job, but a cup in spite of a truly disastrous and embarassing league campaign keep Ange in one?

They did a good job, I am not saying that they didnt do well to get us where we were in the table. Even Mowbray in his last season. All 3 had us overachieving considering resources and the limitations. But it didnt lead to success in spite of what they did. The initial point was that even Eustace and JDT couldnt get success even considering the good jobs they were doing.

The last 3 managers all had recent seasons were they managed to put us in a really strong position overachieving based on resources. But none were successful because it was just too difficult working under these owners.

I think its indicative of how poor our recruitment was in that position that anyone is thinking this. Our performances were notably poorer when he was starting games. Maybe has a role coming on as a sub to help see a game out, if he is starting games now then something has gone horribly wrong. He was a steady eddie years and years ago at this level. He isnt now.

We dont need Forshaw back. Even before injury, he was long past being a competent Championship starter. Dont let his absence fool you otherwise.

I know. His results have been crap overall. But again, youve not really addressed the general theme beyond just Ismael to deflect attention away from the dreadful running of the club. Its the EFL's fault, its the refs fault, its the LT's fault.

You are on a rampage of trying to defend Ismael no matter what (without committing to saying that you think hes a good manager or that you are totally happy with him) that you ae not really addressing or reading the posts you are replying to in doing so. As seen by your posts about the Ipswich performance in the LT thread which has very little or even nothing to do with the posts you have quoted. Its not just Ismael. The Lancashire Telegraph stuff has nothing to do with him. The club is being run into the ground and they seem keen to redirect the blame elsewhere at the moment. Ismael is a pretty poor manager but well down the list of problems.

Feels like we have a few players who may have played crap yesterday but should definitely start. Toth, Cantwell, Morishita, Wharton, Tronstad. Then in the other positions, its just about playing those who are the least crap or the least out of position. Pickering didnt do enough so put Ribeiro back in. We only have 2 centre backs so even though hes left footed, McLoughlin in and Miller at RB. Not square pegs in round holes. As expected, there is a big hole upon Travis leaving next to Tronstad. Baradji signed up to the physio room. Tavares is dreadful. TGH probably the best bet although theres a reason Birmingham loaned him out having never established himself at any of the 3 clubs. Out wide is a problem too. Hedges always tricks people into thinking hes coming good with his annual early season goal and couple of decent performances but hes already reverting to the mean. Kargbo is terrible. And De Neve and Henriksson are clearly nowhere near up to it. And up front, maybe give Gudjohnsen a first start.

It didnt seem like his hand was in an unnatural position. But either way, point still stands. Moaning about the EFL, refs, the Lancashire Telegraph, all to deflect from the shit show.

Ideally youd have one left footer and one right footer. But its not ideal to sell our only right footed centre back capable of playing more than 1 match without his body breaking down. We have 2 right backs, and one of them is having to play at centre back, so now the other is injured, the mess we see of a disjojnted defence with players out of position is upon us even earlier than we could have predicted.

We certainly have moved on from the "no excuses" culture we were supposed to be building under Eustace. Yes, it was really bad luck that the game had to be called off. But we just have to move on I think. Yesterday, Ismael was moaning about the referee. There has been an absolute shambles surrounding the Lancashire Telegraph. The club seems keen to deflect blame and make out like everyone is against us. We just need to concentrate on what we can control.

Dismal, gutless, embarassing display today. Deserved to be well beaten by a poor side. I think if we are close to a full bill of health, we can win points especially if we score first and grind it out. But if we need a spark or if we have any injuries, you peel back the squad slightly and thats when you really worry. Take defence as the obvious example. Because Carter is made of glass, our only option is to play a right back at centre back, can see he hasnt played central in a back 4 before. So when our right back gets injured, you then have a second player out of position. 2 injuries in the squad (one to one that is forever injured) and look how makeshift we become. Midfield is a big issue. Many swallowed the propaganda, Travis is easily replacable and isnt that good etc. Tavares is a waster, constant square balls and unforced losses of possesion. A loanee in TGH who really struggled in both positions but will likely be needed more at right back. And a third signing who isnt fit for ages. And look in attack. Need a goal and we turn to absolute wasters in Kargbo and Gueye. Hedges tricks people every season with his 1 early season goal and a couple of half decent performances. We also have signed 2 attackers in De Neve and Henriksson who the manager wont even bring on, he would rather not make all of his subs. The aim this summer seemingly was to build a quick and athletic team. Why did we not sign players with those qualities then, we look lethargic and sluggish.