I dont think you can be making a 12m gamble when those funds would be so useful and substantial. The Brereton bids were before the season had started so thats no excuse. We wouldnt spend 8m on a loan for a season. And the Rothwell bid was one the owners went against the manager on. And there is also the 15m sale that was never spent. So Mowbray had left us with sellable assets. One the owners pocketed, the other 2 the owners declined.

Again, arguably the biggest error in terms of the impact it would have had on the game was a red card to Brittain and a penalty.

I dont think its ever been specifically confirmed why we didnt tie them down. The owners may well have suspended funding due to covid. I dont know. But either way. 15m player sold, 12m further bids declined by the owners. Thats a lot of money to reinvest if we were run possibly from Mowbray signings and far from a mess inherited.

Explained? Yes. The correct decision? No.

We would have got £12m for Rothwell and Brereton had the owners not interfered and turned down bids. Add that to the £15m we did get for Armstrong and there is a potential £27m on Mowbray purchases to potentially bankroll the building of a competitive team. If we had competent owners. So again, blame going to the wrong place.

The main source of income at this level is often player trading. The owners have rejected £12m of potential fees for players that left for frees, such behaviour is hindering us. Add to that, yes none of the 22m Wharton money was reinvested, but even before the court issues, the Armstrong sale wasnt reinvested either. In the last 3 seasons, only 5m of a banked 40m+ (including Kaminski too) and a further potential 12m that Venkys stopped us getting has actually gone back into the team, some before and some after the court case. Its little wonder why the current squad is so poor. Mowbray and then Tomasson have helped us to sign and/or develop assets that have done step 1 of what we need to do, have players we can make considerable profit on. Its the owners that have interfered to stop that profit coming to fruition or when we do make sales, none/a very tiny fraction of the proceeds dont go back into the team. Thats why I dont get how @J*B and @RevidgeBlue you think that Waggott going could be more beneficial than Venkys going. He is out of his depth and his incompetence is limiting our attendances and our income, but those limitations are on a far smaller scale than the figures ive mentioned that are directly attributable to the owners. Doesnt mean he doesnt need to go aswell, of course he does. And why do people keep peddling a myth that even before the court issues, that Venkys invested as much as they possibly could within FFP? Not true.

Amidst the talk about our disallowed goals and how hard done by we were. This hasnt been mentioned much.

He has said we played really well after basically every game. I beg to differ.

I dont think he had much choice.

I cant really get behind the logic of using previous managers who started badly who did well as a benchmark of something similar happening here. There are similar rare examples with players but surely you would want to have seen signs that things will go well long term to have confidence of a decent spell in charge. And with 0 wins, 6 goals and 6 points in 9 games, those signs have simply not been there. Staying up wouldnt be much of an achievement considering the buffer he inherited both in terms of points and teams between us and the drop zone when he was appointed.

He had just sold one of his signings for £15m. That money vanished. 2 other signings he had made generated offers totalling £12m that the owners declined. So under competent owners, any new manager should have come into a club that had £27m sat in the bank, some ready to spend to push us on. How much blame do the owners get for what was inherited? We sign loads of loanees every season regardless of manager. That season, he signed them because his budget was minus £14.5m.

None of them will go, Waggott and Broughton wouldnt get an equivalent job elsewhere and equally wont be sacked and the owners must enjoy inflicting pain on us. The point of the question was not whether they will go. Having those two would obviously put a limit on any success but the club would be able to improve far more with new owners as opposed to the difference between having a new CEO or a new director of football. Since the summer of 2021, we have sold Armstrong, Wharton, Kaminski and Phillips for more than £40m, as well as declining the opportunity to sell Brereton and Rothwell for £12m. So over a potential £50m to reinvest with 2 proven goalscorers, a top goalkeeper and 2 very good midfielders all gone, as well as a young talented defender. We have spent £5m in that time, even the very best at recruitment would suffer a severe decline in playing squad under those conditions. If Broughton say had £25m to spend in that time, I certainly wouldn't trust him to spend it efficiently, but our squad would look far better in those circumstances than a top CEO with those same conditions. Likewise, even the most savvy CEO with his finger on the pulse in terms of income generation etc would not be as beneficial as having new owners.

I think scraping the barrel for supposed positives is pointless when a new manager has come in and won none of 9 league games (plus 1 cup) picking up only 6 points with us scoring 6 goals. Today was the first game against good opposition.

Do you have an answer to the question in the final paragraph @RevidgeBlue

The idea that Mowbray and Venus did untold damage that we are still recovering from and that is mentioned above the owners is laughable. We had just finished 8th, we had sold one of Mowbrays signings for 15m the summer prior, none of which was reinvested. We also had Rothwell and Brereton thriving and attracting a further 12m of bids that could have further set up the club to reinvest although the owners declined and weve spent 5m and made over 25m more in sales since.

Absolutely, I dont doubt that the officials were poor, just not a case of the decisions all benefitting Ipswich. The only real solution to improving the accuracy of decisions would be VAR. I think its a matter of time.

The problem is, who would referee these games instead? There isnt a pool of superior referees waiting for a chance. VAR would improve these decisions but most are against it.

Lots of blame on the shit ref but no mention of Britain pulling down Broadhead through on goal.

If anyone thinks that there is a 1% chance of £17m will be reinvested then theyve not been following the last 13 years.

We have heard that one before about other players.

Ive just posted that I want both Waggott and Broughton out. Venkys choice to repeatedly employ and then retain incompetent staff members is far from their only damaging decision. In your head, it seems to be all they do wrong and then you focus on the individuals themselves for not just resigning out of pride.

I called Waggott a stupid idiot about 10 minutes ago. I repeatedly call him out as an incompetent clown who isnt capable of the job role he is employed to do and have wanted him out for years. Broughton is less blatantly bad but I havent seen anything to suggest that he is anything but out of his depth. So no, neither get a free pass. You are so reluctant to criticise the owners that you even have spent more time tonight pointing at lasting damage done by Mowbray and Venus! And the owners or moreso the issues the owners face then get a mention at the end in passing. I have a question for you. Only one of Venkys, Waggott and Broughton can go and the decision is yours. The other 2 parties have to then stay at least for a couple of years so its a direct choice of who of the 3 is doing the most damage. Who do you pick?

Well no, theyd sell and reinvest none of it. Both incredibly damaging to us and probably caused by Mowbray and Venus.

If that is his aim, then its the owners aim hence why they would bring him in to do it.

Its astounding how many people you run through before getting onto the real problem. Including our assistant manager from 2 years ago. And even when you do get to them, its the issues surrounding them as if its not their fault.