roversfan99

Yes I am yearning for something that isnt happening. I am also desperate for Venkys to sell up, that isnt happening either but it doesnt dampen that desire at all. My and many other peoples point is that it is a huge problem that we are unable to get any contracts sorted with current important players. Its not the odd one which would be understandable. Us being able to sign new players from abroad at a fraction of the cost of wages of those leaving doesnt disprove that. I dont get why you are being so pedantic about whether its an inability or a choice as the end result is the same either way. You could argue it is an inability within the very low budget set under the owners. We certainly have been unable to sort contracts out, that is a fact.

Obviously it is choice. They are choosing not to pay competitive Championship wages. Hence why nearly all of our signings are from smaller leagues abroad, often players relegated so their wage demands will be comparatively tiny. You make it sound like the likes of Travis and Hyam in particular just werent very good and we chose to discard them.

I dont get why people correlate it with potential transfer funds. They have to cover losses every year. It is in their best interests obviously to not have to have that guarantee in place purely to do that.

We will see. Assuming they become established and their value goes up and they want better money, I am sure we wont agree with that either. Just to clarify. You dont have any worries at all with our inability to get new contracts sorted for current players?

I dont think the rules are different but their window closed ever so slightly after ours. For example, they were selling Idah and wanted a striker called Dolberg who in the end chose against joining. So they went for Iheanacho very late before the deadline. To get the deal done, he agreed to rip up his contract at (I think) Sevilla so that he was a free agent when the Scottish window closed to allow him to then sign for free.

We have gone one step further and literally signed a replacement for our captain who is injured right now with an unknown return date.

Exactly this. Its an excellent deflection tactic to start going off on tangents about individuals. Its the pattern. The indefensible pattern.

Its only Ribeiro as a first teamer (and even he was a weird short term deal that then got extended) out of any of our players that have signed new contracts over the last 2 seasons. That is the fact. Go off on all the tangents you like to try and justify it, but that is not normal. Brittain, Travis, Dolan, Batth, Hyam, Weimann. And Tronstad also unsigned. But yes, just 3.

Again, I am saying what the decision IMO should have been. You are just taking everything literally and assuming that if the club did it, then its probably correct. Equally, replacing Travis with an injured loanee doesnt make sense.

It wasnt too good to turn down for Hyam. Maybe you could argue earlier in the window. But his value to us massively increased so late in the window. Take Guehi as an example. £40m was a great offer for someone who will otherwise leave for free. But they couldnt get a replacement so had to keep him. That £2.7m taken will be offset by a much greater risk of relegation. There wasnt clearly any chance of getting any of them to sign because we cant sort the contracts of current players. Which is a massive problem that undermines any other plans we have, and any other decisions we make. He played Travis in every game and he remained as his captain. Theres no suggestion that he was happy to move him on as if he had fallen behind in the "plan."

Offer better terms and also offer deals earlier. I know it is obvious that its not happening. We clearly arent offering competitive Championship wages hence why only Ribeiro has signed a deal in 2 years from our first team. And believe it or not, thats my grievance.

You are making massive assumptions, including assuming massive wage demands, and are also trying to pull the debate off onto tangents about individual players. Again, the worry is that we havent got a new deal sorted for any key player in years. Its not one or two, its EVERYONE. So that suggests that even if its true that we would have to "break our wage structure" to get any to sign. Then our wage structure is too restrictive to begin with. And it wont help that we wait so long to offer deals in the first place. You are fixated by this Ismael throwing him under the bus situation. Yes, I still think the same but its not very important in the grand scheme of things, its not the problem. Ismael had question marks over man management at previous clubs and with incidents like that and also the Pears one, I can see why. Obviously you after a blip are fully in defence of everything he does, but in this case as I said its not a big deal and not the problem so dont fixate over it.

It will work in reducing the wage bill. It wont help from a footballing perspective. Nothing has changed in terms of being able to sort out contracts. And I suspect you know that, even if you have now been trying to claim that Ismael just was happy to let them go anyway.

There is no way that he was happy to get rid of all of those players. Certainly if he has even a shred of competence. They are more than capable of signing players yes on really cheap wages from abroad. But again, we move away from the pattern. No one is signing contracts. Its not the odd player who has outgrown us or the odd one we want or are happy to discard. Its beyond that. You speak as if the club hae changed for the better.

Gueye is worse than Gallagher although I am not sure why he gets a mention. I would be pleased if I never saw Gueye in a Rovers shirt again because he weakens the team so much when he plays. Thats all my point was. I do sort of get the logic especially if its only a loan offer to keep temporarily due again to lack of recruitment but even if he stays I hope he isnt ever needed. Sort of get the point about potentially being short but its not comparable to losing Hyam who not only was a key player but we are genuinely ridicilously short in that position without him.

You are just making figures up to defend the club. A club that cant get any of its current first team players to sign over such an extended period, that pattern suggests a huge problem and has massively undermined the whole summer as many expected it to do. We dont have time to wait for the potential replacement for our captain if hes out for ages. Travis was a box to box midfielder and a bloody effective one at this level. Lets not pretend his departure was part of a tactical overhaul.

Its not the same and you know it. You are purposely avoiding the fact that we have become totally unable to get current first team players to sign new deals. The only one in two years was Ribeiro who initially signed on a strange short term deal and then extended it. Its not normal. If you think that what we have seen suggests that contractual issues have been left in the past and we have learnt our lessons, then I suspect that you are in a very small minority.

I am against that, but I am more against being totally unable to agree new deals with ANYONE. We have lost our best players and over half a team because of it. The odd one, fine, you sell and replace. Impossible to adequately replace that many. Im not sure its that smart unless he comes back very soon and is good because theres a big hole where Travis was.

Yes, but still they havent managed to start sorting players contracts out. You seem to be of the opinion that they have learnt their lessons. Until they start sorting contracts out then ill assume that they havent learnt anything. And it will undermine anything we are supposed to be building.

Theres also no way that Ismael can claim to be happy about the summer window. He said he only wanted 6 or 7 and to build on what we had. We signed 10 and still are short such are the players that left. He wanted to keep Travis, Brittain, Hyam, Dolan, Batth and Weimann. None stayed. He wanted to keep Hyam and wasnt concerned about him going 2 days before the deadline. He went and with no replacement. He wanted 0 loans, we got 2.

But we tried to sign him, he failed a medical, then 6 weeks later or whatever it was, he came in again, presumably had more checks, and still a couple of weeks later we were none the wiser regarding when he might be able to play. The TGH loan seemed to be a desperate attempt to bring in another body on deadline day, contrary to Ismael having said 2 days prior that he didnt expect any loans. Maybe it with Hyam going and just feeling the need to get someone in, maybe Baradji had since been seen to and the news wasnt good. Either way, its a bit of a mess. Tavares wasnt signed as a direct replacement for Travis and has not settled in well early on. Baradji maybe was but any sense in such a deal will lie in when he is actually fit, we need him now, we cant afford to wait ages and even when he recovers he will then need to get up to speed. And TGH seemed like a late desperate attempt to add an extra body.

Be a big fan all they want, hes no use if hes not available.

So we have to watch Gueye in a Rovers shirt again. Wonderful.

Jimmy Dunne is definitely not better than Callum Brittain. Pereira has a far better CV but I dont think he is better now. Not a regular starter for Leicester anymore. Either way, we will miss Brittian and Alebiosu as encouraged as I have brrn by him will almost certainly not be at that level, it would be unfair to expect him to be.

The blame undoubtedly goes above Ismael but I do also think that he is a far inferior manager to what has gone before. Which just compounds the issue.