Absolutely. A desperate need to be ITK just causes further frustration. At least have the decency to please show where they have come from then.

In what situation would I need to eat humble pie? Part of my criticism regarding the tossers that own us is that they dont care enough to sack the manager you claim that I am defending! But without the slightest hint of where the message came from, so it just comes across as stirring the pot and fabricating rumours. You have posted numerous times after games that "something seems different" and even specifically claimed that you expected Alex Neil to be appointed in January. Needless provocation at a time when you know that everyone is frustrated and fed up.

Youve skirted around an answer as per usual. I keep repeating my insistence that Mowbray needs removing, and have done so for a while. It wont be done anytime soon because our owners are disinterested tosspots.

The crypticness is just needlessly provocative. Who are these mystery people? I saw this tweet which sounds like Mercer who predicts Mowbrays exit after almost every game. I just think its basic decency to add at least some meat to the bones of what at the moment seems like a "rumour" fabricated through forced inteepretations of random tweets.

From where? Just an interpretation of the tweet from Alan Myers?

Just that Alan Myers, someone who has been totally out the loop for a number of years, asked in a quite clearly non comittal tweet about what supporters would do should Venkys sack Mowbray, which he was clear not to directly suggest. You also mention 3pm tomorrow? Is this based just on Alan Myers' tweet? Im just wary of random, unsubstantiated statements such as this getting people into a premature frenzy.

@RoversClitheroe where is this from? Also youve suggested that Marco Silva could be coming in.

Jordan Rhodes scored again tonight meaning that he has 4 goals and 1 assist in 5 games. There is a very useful free transfer for someone there.

If Rotherham got 4 wins, we would need one more point, of course with additional draws for any that Rotherham get on top. I dont think we need 52 points.

Why does it NEED to change? Like I said, it has no impact. If you said you felt anyone who felt he should remain from x date, say Jan 2020 as you did, then even then, how he is doing now would not prove that opinion. Same with you @Bbrovers2288 I get frustrated with the mediocrity. 2 things that aggravated me were people defending Mowbray saying and acting as if the League 1 title didnt matter, and also randomly when we played Brentford in early 2020, we needed to make up ground on the top 6, we went 2 up, yet most people were made up with a point. Infuriated me! So does other fans total lack of ambition within their opinions frustrate me or do I disagree with it, including the "we can do no better" narrative? Yes, it does, but once you start blaming them for being part of the problem, I have to totally disagree.

Hes in self preservation to defend his incompetence. Do you not hold any annoyance towards our absent owners for not giving enough of a shit to do their job and sack him?

Still think we will be fine even if we didnt pick up a point. Sheffield Wednesday need 4 wins from 7 and Wycombe need 5 wins from 6, assuming neither happens, Rotherham would need 4 wins from 10, all unlikely. Next season I suspect it will be very much a season of struggle.

This sort of provocation that you do seemingly after every defeat, when we all know he is going nowhere, is totally unnecessary. You dont believe what you are saying so why would anybody else?! But the key is, and maybe this is more aimed at @J*B who specified that it is partially the supporters fault that we are in this mess, that there is absolutely nothing that any of us could have done to make a blind bit of difference. When Kean was here, I went on many a protest, in the end, he went when he wanted. I did the 1875 protest when Coyle was manager and shouted for him to go too, I dont believe that made any difference. In the last 12 months, which is probably how long ive wanted Mowbray out, maybe even longer, there is nothing we could do, emails wont do anything as much as I respect that it is an effort of some sort, these are pig ignorant tosspots running our club, and we havent been allowed in the stadiums for 12 months. There is nothing of substance that you have done, that J*B has done, or indeed that any of us have done to make a difference, or indeed, that we could have done to make a difference. The I told you so side of it, firstly, that promotion season was a number of years ago, so you cannot correlate his position now and then, there will always be a point when the end comes, take Mourinho, if someone called for him to leave as he won his first title at Chelsea, would he then have been justified when it all went sour at the end? Not at all, a lot has happened between then, and this season in particular has been one of regression, whereby it is got much worse than prior to this season. I have regularly asked for Mowbray to be sacked on here, but its a forum, I dont do so expecting or thinking that my opinion makes a difference, as much as I believe it is valid as anyone elses.

Bizarre question. The reason Mowbray needs to go is because results arent good enough and indeed we are moving further from potential promotion and much closer to the threat of relegation. How would logically that mean that I want us to be in a lower league simply to get rid of him, at that point, id have lost track of the reason he needs to go in the first place, continued poor results.

Lets hope a stopped clock is finally right for the first time. Doubt it.

Youve said this numerous times already.

Question for you and @Bbrovers2288 I have said on here I want Mowbray out for a while so this is not necessarily aimed at me. How have you both "demanded change?" Especially considering stadiums have been closed for longer than a year, 2/3 months after your supposed removal point, what have you done or indeed what could we have done to force the manager out? Baring in mind that there is no evidence based on previous appointments to suggest that fan pressure is critical to the removal of managers. To me, it just appears unnecessarily provoactive nonsense at this stage.

See if Bayes and co back up their criticism by asking Mowbray if he feels its the end of the road etc...

Shit team again, totally random. Glad to see Armstrong back, but says a lot when I suspect 3 or 4 of that team will be here next season.

I suspect that he will continue to give him the easiest of easy rides in post match interviews however.

My last post on the matter. I have wanted Mowbrays out for a while, for far longer than you. I am NOT defending his recruitment. As far as I am concerned, I judge him and him only on ALL of our signings, including Kaminski, including Brereton, including Armstrong, including Gallagher, everyone. His overall recruitment has been shit, I cant stress this enough, its a big part of why I want him out You up until recently aggressively defended Mowbrays recruitment, indeed you said that Mowbray was behind the updated scouting network merely existing and had to stay to continue it, so surely you see how hilariously illogical it is that you now imply that it was already there, you pick out all of the transfers that have been poor, of which there are many, and cook up the theory that the good ones where as a result of the analysts and the recruitment team, and the poor ones were based on your totally evidence -ess theory/assumption because he defied the recruitment team and signed players in spite of them! The reason I think you have changed to such a degree is because youd like to believe that we are a normally functioning club. You know that the owners will continue their pig ignorant ways, you probably know that it is not helpful for the manager to receive no communication for so long as to the budget he will receive, but that isnt going to change. There is no evidence that we have an efficient recruitment team. But now you have finally accepted that what is happening isnt good enough, youd like to think that every single thing wrong with the club is solely based on Tony Mowbray. A mere managerial change (which I dont even expect sadly) and everything will revert to a top 6 push in your mind. To clarify, for the hundredth time, none of this relieves any of the responsibility on the manager. His recruitment of which he is responsible fully for has been rubbish. I want him to be sacked, sadly Venkys dont give a shit and are out of touch, but I want him gone, I have done so for a while, I dont know how much more clearer I can make it that Mowbray is fully responsible for his recruitment, I just also think that there are additional issues at our club.

I will, yeah. In no way an endorsement of him being manager, ive wanted him out for a while. I am looking forward to the social aspect of going with my mate, I have missed going in general and I will get a discount.

The thing that goes in the clubs favour on that I suppose is the discount we get. Then again, if prices continue to rise maybe even that bonus becomes outweighed.

@chaddyrovers Mowbrays recruitment has been poor and ive never once defended that, there are no excuses for it. Thanks for permission to criticise the owners which I will also continue to do so considering their backward processes, their repeated lack of proactivity, the lack of communication that leaves the manager unaware of his budget until well into the close season. For you, its just one of those things that we cant do anything about, surely that applies for Mowbray too, but thats your stance and thats up to you. Joe has never claimed to know the inner workings of our recruitment, his theories and assumptions are generalised and he never once claimed to know exactly what is going on in our club. His opinion is as valid as both of ours, not factual proof that you are right. If it suits your narrative to suddenly think that Mowbray is the sole reason for the clubs continued ineffiencies then fair enough. Again, if you think that our recruitment process is so well organised and that it is merely Mowbray disobeying that has caused the poor recruitment, when a mere matter of months ago it was because he came up with the idea of a new scouting network that you wanted him to stay, its a laughable 180 degree turn on your opinion but fair enough. Please stop implying that I am in any way defending Mowbray, I want him sacked and ive wanted him sacked for far longer than you.

To be fair, he deserves credit for signing Armstrong and Dack although his overall transfer record is poor. Definitely no structure to it, and possibly not a good sign that a key member of our recruitment team (not that he will be missed assuming he plays a big part in our shoddy recruitment) going to a League 1 club either. I also dont really blame him for what he says, its self preservation, I wouldnt leave voluntarily if I was him and for me it is down to the owners to sack him. Sadly, they are absent, negligent stains on our football club. Regarding coaching staff, I am not one who likes to see names appointed for the sake of their name (Terry as an individual though may well have been a big help at Villa who have done well) nor for sentimental reasons as many suggest. If Venus for example is Mowbrays chosen assistant, thats down to him.