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Personally I don’t see anything good about it. I think everyone playing that way is killing the game and making it incredibly boring. Purely from a Rovers point of view it is costing us more goals than it creates. I don’t think he will ever ditch the idea of wanting to play this way and will persist with it to the teams detriment. Luckily we got more points on the board than I expected before he has truly put his stamp on the team.

I think it’s gone beyond stubbornness and into arrogance at this point. I think it’ll get a lot worse before it gets any better too.

Don’t disagree, but Hyam’s honeymoon period is over now. Started like a house on fire but perhaps there is a reason we got him quite cheaply and he’s never managed a Scotland cap. Shite today.

The more Tomasson puts his stamp on this team, the worse it gets. He is arrogantly sticking to this stupid “philosophy” that anyone who isn’t just trying to play the superfan or football expert can see is completely detrimental to us. PNE looked as though they’d spent the last couple of weeks getting fit and ready. We were miles off. A fortnight in the sun presumably practicing unopposed passing drills.

Snowing quite heavily at the moment. Should be on but I’m getting Millwall deja vu.

Sapped of any real enthusiasm thanks to the World Cup break and (more importantly) the Dingle debacle. I wouldn’t be very surprised if it gets called off as nobody had bothered turning the undersoil heating on.

We are terrible at it. Most of the time when we try to play it out from the back we don’t actually get “out”. If we are lucky Kaminski alleviates the panic by kicking it out for a throw in, when we aren’t lucky we concede possession to the opposition in a dangerous position and sometimes they score.

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Goal music… Jesus. People moaning about it on a messageboard seems the entirely appropriate response. Messaging the CEO to ask him why they are suddenly playing it (there is obviously no real good reason by the way) is ridiculous. If someone feels that strongly about it the fans forum is 100% the place to raise it.

I’ve had a bit of a break since the World Cup has been on, but some of the stuff on here is frightening. And just as I’m typing this Chaddy has responded to Mike. @chaddyrovers do you really think it’s in any way useful for every single fan who has an issue or grievance to book themselves a meeting with Waggott? It’s definitely extremely unhelpful when individuals go in there and tell him there is no issue with our current ticket pricing (or anything else) - when we are seeing record low crowds there is obviously a big problem. Not that @Mike Eneeds me to speak for him, but the Rovers Trust regularly meet with Waggott and discuss things, same applies to the fans forum. We are in constant discussion regarding pricing, ticket offerings, growing support, marketing the club, and much more. I’d personally be very happy to discuss our ideas with anyone on here, and would love all your input on what we are working on. I’ll also ensure any specific points are included and raised in one of our scheduled meetings with Waggott. Our aim is to ensure all supporters have meaningful input into the running of the club. A unified voice representing a large number of fans is what we want to provide.

Perfect! Thanks for this. I’m after a goalkeeper shirt for my nephew who is little. Turns 6 in the new year so hopefully the 7-8 will be ok

Thanks Mark. I was worried I might have to get a bigger size than I normally would so hopefully it won’t drown him!

I’ve got a couple of questions, wondered if anyone could possibly help me out… Does anyone know what the smallest size available in the goalkeeper shirts is? Or even if there are still kids ones available for sale in the club shop? And for anyone who has bought a shirt for a child, how do they size up? Cheers!

What’s wrong with judging him on his performances to date? They have been dreadful so far, and if he continues to get chances in the side he needs to do much better. This whole idea of judging players and managers at the end of the season/after x transfer windows/in x years time is the sort of nonsense thinking that allowed Mowbray to cling on to his job way longer than he deserved to.

Or for us to use our limited resources really wisely… LOL!

Just one point, there were no parachute payments back then. Can’t disagree with any of the rest of your post though. We should expect you to enjoy your current superiority over us, we dished it out for long enough. For me there is definitely respect (maybe grudging) for how Burnley bucked the trend and many would argue defied the odds for a number of years, staying in the premier league and even getting into Europe. It is galling to me that all the things that we were prior to Venky’s - pretty much self sufficient, “punching above our weight”, upheld as the model of a well run club - were what you became. I have no respect for Venky’s. They are wholly responsible for an almost unthinkable reversal of fortunes in such a short amount of time.

I’m usually pretty indifferent to the England team, and I don’t usually watch much football on TV these days - the World Cup is usually an exception though. Bollocks to that this time round. I always get annoyed by people who don’t give a toss about football for 3 years and 11 months suddenly catching “world cup fever”, then there’s the minor annoyance of it disrupting our domestic season. I could live with both of those things, but the slavery, homophobia, attitudes to women, and general mass human rights violations that go in on that particular hell hole means I won’t be bothering. I’m also sick of football at the moment thanks to Sunday, but I might get down to a Clitheroe game over the next couple of weeks.

Good point. We didn’t even play to his on Sunday.

Starts with Kaminski. He is terrible with the ball at his feet. Brittain looks completely all over the place on the left. All our centre backs are capable defenders but none are great ball players - hardly surprising in Ayala’s case especially… the suggestion of a centre back passing a goal kick to a keeper would’ve been laughed at when his career was starting. The only player whose strength we play to is Brereton’s. Literally every other player is asked to prioritise things they are crap at.

The clattering was a definite booking, but the first push? No way. Barnes lightly touched Kaminski’s chest which caused him to fall to the ground holding his face. Biggest issue with the ref was missing two blatant corners. And just have a read back, there are definitely people making out we lost because of the referee rather than our own ineptitude.

For years I laughed at some Burnley fans I know who claimed we only beat them 5-0 because of the ref. They are the ones laughing now though, and our fans making similar claims about the ref are embarrassing. No ref in any game anywhere would have issued a red card for the push after the goal. And disallowing the goal would only ever happen in the Chaddyverse. Only one penalty decision is being talked about, Brereton might have given one away too. Our players rolling around and pretending to be hurt doesn’t do any good. Ref might have thought a booking was in order if someone stood up to Barnes instead.

Burnley haven’t. One of “these types of players” bullied our entire back line, left half our team frightened to death of going near him, scored two goals, won man of the match, and generally took the piss all afternoon.

At the start of the season you predicted Burnley would finish 24th in the table. You made this extraordinary prediction based on blind hatred for them, you were completely unable and unwilling to give them the remotest bit of credit or apply any logical analysis. All of a sudden our first game against them in 5 years is just another game? You aren’t really bothered we have lost by the biggest margin against them since 1963? Or that they have won their last 5 games against us for the first time in a hundred years? I know you understand the importance of the Derby, which makes your current (predictable) stance seem really disingenuous. We know exactly how you feel about Tomasson. I’d go as far to say that the vast majority of fans are really pleased with his tenure so far overall. The difference is nobody else thinks he’s infallible. You’d have been bigging up a 3-0 win against Burnley as one of the clubs greatest ever results, gloating like mad and revelling in it. You can’t have it both ways.

Why is playing to your style, which encourages players to do things they are naturally bad at, more important than results?

I’ve seen our first half described as “good”, “ok”, “positive”, “working perfectly”. It was none of these things. We barely set foot in their half and didn’t have a single shot. Even if San Marino played Brazil they’d have more of a go than we did. It was blindingly obvious that they would score eventually if we carried on like that. This game is always going to be viewed in isolation, at least by our supporters who really get it, so the whole “we are third” is irrelevant. It’s also the same thing we heard all the way through the back end of last season, but look how that went… ”We are still in the top 2” ”We can go back on top” ”We are one win away from the top 2” ”We are 8 points clear of 7th” ”We are still in the playoffs” ”We can still make the playoffs” ”We finished higher than we did last year” Another one I’m hearing is that it’s ok, because some of the losses will eventually start becoming draws… Maybe so, but so will some of the wins and our fall will be rapid if and when they do.