Beck is a great little player. His physicality surprised me for his size as he's really aggressive but it did tell over a season that he wasn't robust enough yet to hack it week in week out.

I forgot about that signing yea i think he’s a class little player but some of the comments on here tonight would make you think we have lost maldini to derby

They've just bought Milos Kerkez for £45m from Bournemouth, which tells you what they think about Beck.

Let me clarify my point on beck I think beck is a class wee player and can go on to do well but in order to call a player the best in that position for a certain club over the last 15/20 years surely you would have had to play more than 25 games to even be considered in that conversation That’s my point

Your right they did forgot about him pushes beck closer to the exit door

A top player. He’s got what Beck has and a bit more.

Now they have 3. Kerkaz who’s 21. For my money, he’ll keep Beck out of the team.

They’ve got 3 left backs. They brought the kids from Bournemouth did they not. assuming ‘they’ are Liverpool that is.

Ask Suhail.

Damn, John, if you wanted our team from last year why did you leave? 😆

…is the right answer.

I agree. At first it was to cope with the loss of my parents. Then I was made redundant last year so haven't been working. I'm cutting back especially when I get a job

No but I’d suggest that you would need to watch a player for more than 25 games for them to be called your clubs best left back in decades or the last 15 years iv stated beck is good im not having hes been our best left back in the last 15 years and id say if you asked many managers ex players etc id be very surprised if he was even mentioned

Derek Williams was mediocre. Martin Olsson and Gael Givet were streets ahead of Beck.

To play which position?

Would’ve been in for windass as I mentioned earlier in the thread, but looks like he has decent options elsewhere

The point I’m making is you don’t need to watch a player for 20 games to know whether they’re a good ‘un or not. If Beck can get over that injury he suffered at Rovers he’ll go on to be a Premier League player. Maybe not at Liverpool but certainly at another Premier League club.

What has happened since is irrelevant to replacing what Dolan provided last season. But I very much doubt that Dolan is just sat around with absolutely no offers or interest. If we signed a winger that had done what Dolan did from another Championship club. Or even one with a fancy exotic name who has provided a similar number of goals and assists in a lesser league. We would be excited.

The hole in the argument is that they're unwilling to spend money so he'll play by default rather than by some grand design.

Derick Williams lol, bloke had a 50p heed, frustrated the hell put me when he wasted good chances as he couldn’t head for toffee. He wasn’t very good. His move to the mls confirmed that

Again, you arent reading what I am putting. How is it negative? Thats what I asked. Wharton had long periods of not playing in his first season but he is a freak, a special talent. Raya had 3 seasons where he only played very occasionally and a loan spell before he broke in. And now Buckley has appeared as if he is a success story and hasnt just been a waste of a wage for about 3 or 4 seasons. I know we dont know if he is physically capable. If we dont sign another number 10 (is he even naturally a number 10 anyway?) and he comes in and cant cope physically, then what? He has picked up a number of injuries in youth football so its hardly out of the question, if we dont sign anyone then we are a Cantwell injury away from him having to play game after game and its unfair on him to expect so much. I am not saying never play him. If he shows when he does play (good opportunity in the cup for him initially) that he is ready now, then by all means the shirt is his and he can be really fasttracked. Its not a case of, if we sign someone, he never plays. Equally, even if he is ready, he likely will have a dip at some point. Wharton was taken out for a while. That way, we can do that. I dont feel comfortable putting all our eggs in the Tyjon basket so soon, partially because its unfair on him. Maybe even sign someone that can also play wide (or even deeper) so if Tyjon is ready, then theres scope for both potentially. And I would also like him to actually commit to a new deal (knowing the plan) before we invest this time in him.

Hell, Marcus was immense too when he seemingly suddenly broke through, winning player of the season in 14-15. Both Olssons still playing in the Allsvenskan.

Can see us getting Luca Stephenson on loan from Liverpool. Similar development path Beck followed and can play full back and in the middle

Yes I’m sure you were hahaha

put the spade away,that hole is getting bigger by the minute i was told by someone close to the club that he was shocking,maybe after getting a few weeks training in,he`s getting his touch back