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Going back to Hyam my view is that he is a bang average, middle of the road centre back. However in the last 10 years what better centre backs have we had that we have owned? There's a couple that spring to mind but they aren't massively better (and both were pretty experienced). It's not a position we've been blessed in.

If that’s what it feels like it’s likely because your losing track of what you have said which is understandable considering most of it’s rubbish you didn’t just say he’s average you said his best attributes were availability and disciplinary record. You dismissed his poty award and went on to try finishing 7th is irrelevant etc then here’s the kicker you said only Wrexham wanted him a team you reckon are just a mid table champ club insinuating that because there was no ‘bigger’ team in for him like as you said a sheff u that means he is just average….hence my example above

Any others? Or did you mean "a game where he was amazing."

He had some games he was amazing...the game WBA away springs to mind....he has potential but need the right management

Erm... Just... What? This conversation is what I imagine an aneurysm feels like. All I said was Hyam is an average championship defender, and I'd rather we kept him. Thanks for reminding me why I don't post things on the internet. Innabit.

To save a wage, its all about cost cutting Maybe he will be loaned to Turkey too? Loan one, get 2 free?

Think he will go somewhere with the window still open.

The one who could get the best of Gueye was David Lowe ...

Why selling Gueye now? What if Yuki and Gudjohnsen gets injured? Shambles of club

Any “ free “ players now are “ free “ for a reason.

Agreed on ability and style of team that he'd need. In terms of selling or loaning him - I don't really care, to be honest. Either way, we aren't going to use the sale money and/or wage saving to invest in the team. The money we have received from other sales in the transfer window (and previously) primarily subsidises and mitigates Venkys' losses and inability (unwillingness) to invest. In my mind, the more money we bring in through player sales, the longer Venkys can drag out the destruction of Blackburn Rovers. If we have to get rid of Gueye for financial reasons then, on balance and outside of the window, I'd favour loaning him out and hoping he finds a semblance of form that enables him to contribute something more to our team on his return. Because we aren't likely to replace him with anything much better.

Ive watched Gueye live enough times now to know hes truly awful. Its clear he'll never be any good at championship level. The only way I see him being effective is if the team was set up for him to minimise him having the ball at his feet. Direct style of play and Two wingers putting crosses in towards his head. Thats not gonna happen though. I'd rather sell for a fee and get cover in on loan. On another note, I know nothing about him but the Birmingham Facebook page had lots of comments about it was silly of them to let TGH leave and was generally positive comments about him. Well see.

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Cos Rhodes is going to have to play?

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We didn’t know it at the time but the investigation into the Venkys started prior to these players leaving.

I think he has only been really good on one occasion. West Brom away. Has obvious physicality but hard to find a poorer finisher or a player lacking as much intelligence as shown by the amount of attacks breaking down when he fails to even try to time his run properly. I also think at times towards the end of last season in particular, he has appeared petulant rather than with a point to prove.

Can we loan back Leonard?

I have high expectations from Gudjohnson. I believe he will be the next big money sale we do. Mixed about Gueye. Great character but still not convinced he’s good enough for championship level. still…. Rather slim on cover already. Any decent free strikers not named Bamford?

Justifying the appointment of Jordan Rhodes?

He’s not worked out how I wanted, when the balance of ‘he’s been awful today’ to ‘actually maybe there’s something there when it clicks’ was more like 70/30 I was thinking we had a real chance of getting the most out of him. Sadly that balance is now more like 90/10 (being kind), when he’s good he’s really good but it seems more and more a case of his physicality working rather than much more.

Not connected to Gueye. But I really dont like this idea of giving game time to a 17 year old purely for the purpose of trying to convince him to sign a new deal. Its likely a futile gesture anyway, I suspect the odd start and some minutes off the bench would sway him from taking a big offer from a big club should it come up. But if that is the primary objective, then whats best for the team becomes of secondary importance. Its not even as if hes signed a deal and we know we are developing our own player. He has always played off the striker in his rare minutes too.

The ball couldn't come back any quicker than it does with Ohashi upfront - which is the only merit we'd have in playing the equally slightly Tyjon as the 9.

17 year old Tyjon.

Fans: we are so short up top we have no depth no plan b unproven players fans: yes get rid of him makes no sense to me at all….start gudjohnsen play tyjon more absolutely fine but letting him go leaves us incredibly short and is a huge huge gamble