den Posted March 25, 2009 Author Posted March 25, 2009 Stead was not physically or mentally strong but helped us stay up... So? Villaneuva's set piece ability should make him at least a useful sub, if Allardyce was to open his mind. He has been sub.
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Ozz Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Stead was not physically or mentally strong but helped us stay up... Eh? What do you base that on?
den Posted March 25, 2009 Author Posted March 25, 2009 Eh? What do you base that on? Can't wait for the answer to this one
JAL Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Stead was not physically or mentally strong but helped us stay up... Villaneuva's set piece ability should make him at least a useful sub, if Allardyce was to open his mind. Jonathan Stead was about 6'2'' or 6' 3'' in height and had a bit of pace he could run rover6. The mental bit i'll agree with you but not the physical bit.
Paul Mellelieu Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Stead was not physically or mentally strong but helped us stay up... Villaneuva's set piece ability should make him at least a useful sub, if Allardyce was to open his mind. You really like the underdog don't you! Come on Sam, open your mind! p.s. How's your old mate Alan Mahon doing?
Anti-Dingle-Brigade Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 I do think Carlos is the best striker of the ball we have, we should try and find a way to accommodate him. But it's hard.
rover6 Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Eh? What do you base that on? I base the fact that he is not mentally strong on the fact that despite fair ability, he has flopped since his rise to fame. Okay, so he was tall and quite fast but he was as willowy as they come. Another example of a player who did not boast a perfect human physique but did a great job relegation-busting was Christophe Duggary at Brum. Does anyone know how Carlos played against Man City reserves? He scored two (albeit one was a penalty) and hit a post with a free kick, which sounds like he's trying to impress the manager.
JAL Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 I base the fact that he is not mentally strong on the fact that despite fair ability, he has flopped since his rise to fame. Okay, so he was tall and quite fast but he was as willowy as they come. Another example of a player who did not boast a perfect human physique but did a great job relegation-busting was Christophe Duggary at Brum. Does anyone know how Carlos played against Man City reserves? He scored two (albeit one was a penalty) and hit a post with a free kick, which sounds like he's trying to impress the manager. He failed miserably at Coventry in the cup, was not then a great time to impress the manager. Man City's deadwood or Coventry's firsts, which game should you really judge him in, maybe the manager in the crowd was potentially a new manager and not Rovers manager.
Amo Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 Tbh JAL, a lot of our players let the side down against Coventry. It's a bit unfair to single Carlos out. EDIT: He's also not a winger.
Hughesy Posted March 25, 2009 Posted March 25, 2009 I agree that Carlos needs to be given a chance in games in the middle of the pitch. I think Carlos could be a great option from the bench for the last 25 mins if the game is all square. He's the sort of player that could abit of magic out of the bag.
Blue n White Rover Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I agree that Carlos needs to be given a chance in games in the middle of the pitch. I think Carlos could be a great option from the bench for the last 25 mins if the game is all square. He's the sort of player that could abit of magic out of the bag. Stick Mascherano or any tough midfielder in front of him he'll be played out the game. Not strong or quick enough for the PL, it's as simple as that. He does have an eye for goal, similar to Dunny but with a bit more flair and A LOT less injury prone. Would be useful against the smaller clubs. Don't understand why Carlos/Dunn weren't bought on VS The Hammers. We really lacked that cutting edge and that killer ball.
Hughesy Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I agree that a big, classy midfielder like Mascherano would stop him, but im not sure the likes of Stoke, Tottenham, West Brom & Pompey could stop him. I think they are more likely to foul him and he then has the chance from a deadball situation.
den Posted March 26, 2009 Author Posted March 26, 2009 I agree that a big, classy midfielder like Mascherano would stop him, but im not sure the likes of Stoke, Tottenham, West Brom & Pompey could stop him. I think they are more likely to foul him and he then has the chance from a deadball situation. You're talking as though he hasn't had any chances in the first team. He has, and he's not done very well.
Hughesy Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 He hasnt been given a run in the side in the centre has he - he has always been shoved out wide.
joey_big_nose Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 You're talking as though he hasn't had any chances in the first team. He has, and he's not done very well. It's relative though. He doesn't need to do really well, he just needs to do better than one of the incumbrants. I can't see him starting, but there was a strong argument for bringing him on for the last 20 mins versus West Ham when we were dominating.
ABBEY Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 cmon hughsey ,derbs hasnt had a run either but your down on him.
den Posted March 26, 2009 Author Posted March 26, 2009 He hasnt been given a run in the side in the centre has he Well thankfully not. With most people believing we have to go 4-4-2, there's no way Carlos could play in the centre. Plus Hughesy, he hasn't had a run in the side because when he has played, he hasn't shown enough to be selected again. You have to do that, especially when others have been in front of you. Forget Carlos, he wont ever be a regular.
nicko Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 I can't help thinking Villanueva would have played this season if Rovers were in the middle of the table. Saw him against Man City reserves and he has a bit to offer, good set-pieces and a trick or two. He is NOT a player for a relegation battle...and probably NOT a Big Sam player either. However he would probably have figured - and starred - if Rovers were safe.
den Posted March 26, 2009 Author Posted March 26, 2009 I can't help thinking Villanueva would have played this season if Rovers were in the middle of the table. Saw him against Man City reserves and he has a bit to offer, good set-pieces and a trick or two. He is NOT a player for a relegation battle...and probably NOT a Big Sam player either. However he would probably have figured - and starred - if Rovers were safe. Bottom line in what you're saying there Nicko, - is that Carlos might play when there's nothing at stake. That doesn't speak volumes for him, does it?
Amo Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 With Roque's hold-up play, why not play Carlos alongside him? We need someone who can finish, and those two have the technical ability to pull defences open.
67splitscreen Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Good enough, not good enough, it real does not matter, events have gone against him,what does matter is, there's a big lump of dosh due soon. Whatever is still outstanding, has to used on a player that we can utilize for a full campaign next season. I was Rover the moon when we signed him, it's just not worked out, shame, we move on.
nicko Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Bottom line in what you're saying there Nicko, - is that Carlos might play when there's nothing at stake. That doesn't speak volumes for him, does it? The plan was to bring him into a side chasing the top six, which might have worked. The reality is bottom six, which is not where he is best suited. Sad to say Carlos will be off. He has simply not done enough. However it could have been different. The bottom half is full of limited players who just hoof the ball about and bump into each other. That's no use to him. Better players than Carlos would struggle in a bottom-six side.
roversmum Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Was hoping we'd be able to keep him, but guess not practical in the circumstances. Shame.
T4E Posted March 26, 2009 Posted March 26, 2009 Sums it up for me, Mum. He'll be a star elsewhere, its an absolute nailed on certainty.
den Posted March 26, 2009 Author Posted March 26, 2009 Sums it up for me, Mum. He'll be a star elsewhere, its an absolute nailed on certainty. Do you think that will be in the English Premier League, T4E?
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