England

[RevidgeBlue]

2 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

my hero? Rev, Talking bollocks again. 

Calm down dear it's a joke.

[chaddyrovers]

 

 

 

[RevidgeBlue]

10 minutes ago, chaddyrovers said:

Would have like to see Welbeck in the squad and Watkins aswell

So agreeing with me on that then.

Im not suggesting they start ahead of Kane.

Edited Sunday at 21:32 by RevidgeBlue

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Calm down dear it's a joke.

maybe show more respect for a different opinion and how good Elliott Anderson has played the 6 role since coming in

[chaddyrovers]

1 minute ago, RevidgeBlue said:

So agreeing with me on that then.

Im not suffering  they start ahead of Kane.

I said a few weeks that both of them would be in my world cup squad 

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

2 hours ago, KentExile said:

Don't forget the dark days when he dropped Raya for Leutwiler

Who ? Where’s he playing these days ?

[KentExile]

6 minutes ago, Tyrone Shoelaces said:

Who ? Where’s he playing these days ?

retired I think

edit - yep, spent most of his post Rovers career with Oldham & then moved to Port Vale before retiring in the summer

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jayson-leutwiler/profil/spieler/52598

Edited Sunday at 22:05 by KentExile

[M_B]

17 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

Its a bizarre argument.

People presumably think we should have got a bigger initial fee ASWELL as add ons. Those add ons arent part of a masterplan as opposed to a higher fee.

And had we waited longer and not been as desperate, chucking him out the door in the less busy winter window, then he would have been worth more, however it was structured.

It isn't really difficult to fathom, the lower the fee, the higher the sell on and vice versa.

 I don't know what's so bizarre in waiting until the final amount until forming an opinion. With Raya, some of the criticism was both premature and way off the mark. 

[roversfan99]

Just now, M_B said:

It isn't really difficult to fathom, the lower the fee, the higher the sell on and vice versa.

 I don't know what's so bizarre in waiting until the final amount until forming an opinion. With Raya, some of the criticism was both premature and way off the mark. 

But that implies that the total of any package is always the same. Ie, he is being sold right at that moment, and its just a question of structuring.

His value regardless of structuring was limited. We had to sell, we were desperate, we sold him in January when theres less money around, clubs less willing to spend money, and we sold him early as opposed to letting bis value continue to appreciate.

Theres no reason to suggest that if all of the above factors werent in play, and if we had waited, that we couldnt still have the add ons AND a higher fee.

Big sales will contain sell on fees. If that player goes to the very top, it doesnt justify the sale because of potential add ons down the line, its not something our board have done really well to include, its standard. Its not either or.

[M_B]

57 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

But that implies that the total of any package is always the same. Ie, he is being sold right at that moment, and its just a question of structuring.

His value regardless of structuring was limited. We had to sell, we were desperate, we sold him in January when theres less money around, clubs less willing to spend money, and we sold him early as opposed to letting bis value continue to appreciate.

Theres no reason to suggest that if all of the above factors werent in play, and if we had waited, that we couldnt still have the add ons AND a higher fee.

Big sales will contain sell on fees. If that player goes to the very top, it doesnt justify the sale because of potential add ons down the line, its not something our board have done really well to include, its standard. Its not either or.

It's 10%higher than Bellingham's when he left Birmingham. 

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

It isn't really difficult to fathom, the lower the fee, the higher the sell on and vice versa.

 I don't know what's so bizarre in waiting until the final amount until forming an opinion. With Raya, some of the criticism was both premature and way off the mark. 

Do you think less than £10m was good for Raya?

It's not 1995.

[roversfan99]

55 minutes ago, M_B said:

It's 10%higher than Bellingham's when he left Birmingham. 

You keep fixating on that, different situations, there will be other players with different clauses. Its like defending Venkys because they at least pay the players unlike Chansiri did. 

Its simple logic. We sold desperately, in January, before he had time to further play and appreciate in value. Logically, regardless of structure, his value with us being distressed sellers was lower than it should have been.

[Mattyblue]

And Jobe Bellingham went for nearly *ten million* more. Palace nabbed a bargain due to the seller being distressed, not sure how anybody could argue anything else.

[Gav]

5 hours ago, M_B said:

It's 10%higher than Bellingham's when he left Birmingham. 

What point are you trying to make? I’ve no idea at this point, but I’ve not read all the thread?

[M_B]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

Do you think less than £10m was good for Raya?

It's not 1995.

It wasn't less than £10 million. There's not a chance anyone AT THE TIME expected us to get anywhere near that amount. 

[M_B]

22 minutes ago, Gav said:

What point are you trying to make? I’ve no idea at this point, but I’ve not read all the thread?

That a smaller fee usually means a higher sell on, and vice versa. 

[M_B]

4 hours ago, roversfan99 said:

You keep fixating on that, different situations, there will be other players with different clauses. Its like defending Venkys because they at least pay the players unlike Chansiri did. 

Its simple logic. We sold desperately, in January, before he had time to further play and appreciate in value. Logically, regardless of structure, his value with us being distressed sellers was lower than it should have been.

I'm not fixated on anything, it seems a good example to me. 

I suppose the question is, how much do you think we should have got for him? 

[roversfan99]

26 minutes ago, M_B said:

I'm not fixated on anything, it seems a good example to me. 

I suppose the question is, how much do you think we should have got for him? 

Ive not got a specific number in mind. Its more of a case of, dont force him out, in January, out of desperation, and instead give him at least half a season more to accelerate in value. Hes obviously going to generate more, you wont get true value under those conditions.

[M_B]

18 minutes ago, roversfan99 said:

Ive not got a specific number in mind. Its more of a case of, dont force him out, in January, out of desperation, and instead give him at least half a season more to accelerate in value. Hes obviously going to generate more, you wont get true value under those conditions.

If you don't have a specific figure In mind, then surely you can't really have an opinion on the final figure, whatever it is. 

[Upside Down]

8 hours ago, Mattyblue said:

And Jobe Bellingham went for nearly *ten million* more. Palace nabbed a bargain due to the seller being distressed, not sure how anybody could argue anything else.

I suppose you can when you don't understand basic life concepts like luck and chance.

[M_B]

11 hours ago, Upside Down said:

I suppose you can when you don't understand basic life concepts like luck and chance.

Luck is the football fans' get out of jail free card, when things don't go as they predicted.

Ie, Southgate did better than I predicted, I'll just say he was lucky and that makes it all OK.

Strange thing being, I don't actually remember him him having any bad luck, funny that. 

Edited 7 hours ago by M_B

[roversfan99]

Of course luck plays a part though, moreso in international football.

Southgate did benefit from some favourable draws that did not come as a direct result of anything he had done.

Equally, I think Ismael is a poor manager. But he was unfortunate to see weather conditions call a game off because that was out of his control.

[RevidgeBlue]

1 hour ago, M_B said:

Luck is the football fans' get out of jail free card, when things don't go as they predicted.

Ie, Southgate did better than I predicted, I'll just say he was lucky and that makes it all OK.

Strange thing being, I don't actually remember him him having any bad luck, funny that. 

He certainly didn't have any bad luck with the squads he had at his disposal.

[Upside Down]

6 hours ago, M_B said:

Luck is the football fans' get out of jail free card, when things don't go as they predicted.

Ie, Southgate did better than I predicted, I'll just say he was lucky and that makes it all OK.

Strange thing being, I don't actually remember him him having any bad luck, funny that. 

Embarrassing.

[M_B]

4 hours ago, RevidgeBlue said:

He certainly didn't have any bad luck with the squads he had at his disposal.

Well no, he didn't have any bad luck, just the good stuff, ask Upside Down and his rabbits foot.