Venky’s (& Suhail) Out Protest Ideas

[Makrover]

 

[RoversClitheroe]

Pasha under pressure? Or no news currently? Lots going on behind the scenes I assume?

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23 minutes ago, RoversClitheroe said:

Pasha under pressure? Or no news currently? Lots going on behind the scenes I assume?

@glen9mullan is the man that knows pressure isnt for tyres, its for Pasha 😄

[paullarrygher]

Not sure if it's been suggested before but could it be worth running a Linkedin ad campaign?

Target the ads at Venky's/VH Group staff in Pune. Link ads through to a website detailing issues at the club and asking Raos to sell.

It should be pretty cheap to run, highly targeted and get staff talking?

[Browjd]

All very quiet, any updates at all? 

[glen9mullan]

11 hours ago, Browjd said:

All very quiet, any updates at all? 

Open supporters meeting on the agenda (possibly July)  and MPs to bring things up in Parliament once again.

Tim Farron and Adnan Hussein already had a couple of meetings, are on same page and very much supporting the coalition and seeking answers.

Possible documentary on the agenda (can't say too much more on this).

Press efforts continue to share wide and far.

Edited Tuesday at 21:48 by glen9mullan

[Upside Down]

1 hour ago, glen9mullan said:

Open supporters meeting on the agenda (possibly July)  and MPs to bring things up in Parliament once again.

Tim Farron and Adnan Hussein already had a couple of meetings, are on same page and very much supporting the coalition and seeking answers.

Possible documentary on the agenda (can't say too much more on this).

Press efforts continue to share wide and far.

It's great that MPs are onboard with this. It's a huge issue for the town.

The detrimental impact that venkys have had on the town both economically and in terms of our world wide representation are immense.

This is much much bigger than just a bunch of football fans complaining about a shit team. This needs government intervention to protect all football clubs, not just ours, and the community that surrounds them. This is our national cultural heritage we're talking about here. 

Long term I think a coalition of many fan groups of many clubs is needed to force change on this issue.

[Mashed Potatoes]

7 hours ago, Upside Down said:

It's great that MPs are onboard with this. It's a huge issue for the town.

The detrimental impact that venkys have had on the town both economically and in terms of our world wide representation are immense.

This is much much bigger than just a bunch of football fans complaining about a shit team. This needs government intervention to protect all football clubs, not just ours, and the community that surrounds them. This is our national cultural heritage we're talking about here. 

Long term I think a coalition of many fan groups of many clubs is needed to force change on this issue.

The Football Governance Bill is passing through Parliament and should be law by the end of next month. It is designed to provide the protection that you are looking for, as well as a system for fan engagement. I think the Coalition are going to have to work within this new system.

[K-Hod]

1 hour ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

The Football Governance Bill is passing through Parliament and should be law by the end of next month. It is designed to provide the protection that you are looking for, as well as a system for fan engagement. I think the Coalition are going to have to work within this new system.

You seem determined not to get behind the coalition, which is made up of people trying to make things better for the club.

It's a shame you can't support these people, really.

[Mashed Potatoes]

12 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

You seem determined not to get behind the coalition, which is made up of people trying to make things better for the club.

It's a shame you can't support these people, really.

Complete nonsense. Literally nothing in my post is critical of the Coalition.

Here are 2 constructive proposals for them.

The Bill provides for there to be regular meetings with a representative group of supporters :

1. The Coalition should approach the club for detail of how they envisage that representative group be constituted.

2. The Coalition should ask the club to state how many meetings a year they would regard as meeting the requirement that they are "regular".

That is what I mean by working within the system.

[MarkBRFC]

The club don't respond to them.

[Mattyblue]

Masher seems to fundamentally not understand that ‘the club’ is not acting in good faith.

[Upside Down]

Mashed brains fundamentally not understanding something?

Well I'm shocked to say the least.

[K-Hod]

57 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Complete nonsense. Literally nothing in my post is critical of the Coalition.

Here are 2 constructive proposals for them.

The Bill provides for there to be regular meetings with a representative group of supporters :

1. The Coalition should approach the club for detail of how they envisage that representative group be constituted.

2. The Coalition should ask the club to state how many meetings a year they would regard as meeting the requirement that they are "regular".

That is what I mean by working within the system.

Literally nothing in my post said you were critical, either.

What I did say, as it clearly bears repeating: 'you seem determined not to get behind the coalition' and 'it's a shame you can't support these people'. 

Show them some support and that you're willing to get behind them, then I'll absolutely hold my hands up and acknowledge that.

[Mashed Potatoes]

45 minutes ago, Mattyblue said:

Masher seems to fundamentally not understand that ‘the club’ is not acting in good faith.

Masher has made the effort to read the Parliamentary notes explaining the new legislation and understands that when it is enacted the club will have statutory obligations regarding fan engagement which they will have to fulfil whether they want to or not.

[Mashed Potatoes]

2 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Literally nothing in my post said you were critical, either.

What I did say, as it clearly bears repeating: 'you seem determined not to get behind the coalition' and 'it's a shame you can't support these people'. 

Show them some support and that you're willing to get behind them, then I'll absolutely hold my hands up and acknowledge that.

I'm happy to show support for them in doing the right thing. I get behind them by making constructive proposals.

[K-Hod]

Just now, Mashed Potatoes said:

I'm happy to show support for them in doing the right thing. I get behind them by making constructive proposals.

Do you not think they're doing the right thing at the moment?

[Mashed Potatoes]

1 minute ago, K-Hod said:

Do you not think they're doing the right thing at the moment?

Speaking to the MPs - yes. Again, I want them to work within the system - it's just worth pointing out that the one outstanding contribution made by a supporters group was when the Trust got an Asset Of Community Value order placed over Ewood Park. That was an example of people making sure they understood the law and working within the system.

As for the Coalition they've set themselves a very hard objective - advocating a sale by owners who have never shown an inclination to sell. I'm not personally able to see how they can achieve that - but Glen has made it clear that they will stay the right side of the law and that definitely is "the right thing".

[Upside Down]

No whistles blown at all then.

[K-Hod]

11 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Speaking to the MPs - yes. Again, I want them to work within the system - it's just worth pointing out that the one outstanding contribution made by a supporters group was when the Trust got an Asset Of Community Value order placed over Ewood Park. That was an example of people making sure they understood the law and working within the system.

As for the Coalition they've set themselves a very hard objective - advocating a sale by owners who have never shown an inclination to sell. I'm not personally able to see how they can achieve that - but Glen has made it clear that they will stay the right side of the law and that definitely is "the right thing".

Okay, let's try this another way....

Do you think the coalition are doing the right thing in getting the owners to sell, because the owners have done an awful job since they bought the club, or do you think the owners are doing a good job, so the coalition shouldn't bother getting the owners to sell?

[Mashed Potatoes]

6 minutes ago, K-Hod said:

Okay, let's try this another way....

Do you think the coalition are doing the right thing in getting the owners to sell, because the owners have done an awful job since they bought the club, or do you think the owners are doing a good job, so the coalition shouldn't bother getting the owners to sell?

I would like the owners to sell - and have done since they sacked Sam Allardyce.

[glen9mullan]

55 minutes ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Masher has made the effort to read the Parliamentary notes explaining the new legislation and understands that when it is enacted the club will have statutory obligations regarding fan engagement which they will have to fulfil whether they want to or not.

We fully understand the legislation, have members who have been part of building the structure for the said legislation. 

Everything we do, we review the legal side and are extremely thorough and strategic to mitigate against the balls falling on the wrong side of the net.

The Coalition is made up of a lot of people, differing opinions/skill sets and does not stifle or prevent the group's involved carrying out their own objectives or remits. Individual group activities have not ceased or paused by being part of a collective panel.

Respecting each groups objectives and opinions has been paramount and remains top of the agenda in terms of how the Coalition operates.

Selling the club would be one outcome many desire.

However from a personal point of view stability, strong competent leadership at Board Level and the removal of those whose do the club harm is at the forefront of my mind.

We may get new owners and a continued circus entrusted with running the club.

We need to shut the circus down, and seek a hierarchy that functions with integrity , whilst are accountable for their actions.

If our current owners cannot implement the positive changes required for the club to rebuild then ultimately they need to go.

I'm a firm believer that we should never shut a door completely, but by the same sentiment, never be afraid to open a new one.

We need to eat the elephant piece by piece.

In terms of new owners one objective of the Coalition (baring in mind resource levels), is to make Rovers a credible purchase, developing what can be achieved,  how and utilising data and market research to increase the attractiveness to potential buyers/investors.

As I've tried to maintain throughout in my posts,  I'm trying to be as transparent as I can without literally handing on a plate to the club what our current activities are.

The club continues to ignore individual supporter group/ supporter emails, with them going unanswered regarding SLT engagement.

Whilst their generic response to the Coalition, was they'll speak to the Fans Forum in July.

The Coalition website is due to go live which has been worked on by a working group within the team and hopefully it can be another vehicle to communicate what's being done by all the volunteers involved.

 

I note your points about the supporter engagement with the club,  it's 100% been getting discussed weekly by the panel, at the moment the club has put a brick wall up.

 

 

[wilsdenrover]

I’d like owners/senior management who want to go beyond whatever the statutory minimums are.

[lraC]

2 hours ago, Mashed Potatoes said:

Masher has made the effort to read the Parliamentary notes explaining the new legislation and understands that when it is enacted the club will have statutory obligations regarding fan engagement which they will have to fulfil whether they want to or not.

Can I ask why you went to the trouble to read that and do you have any comments positive or negative to make on it?

Can you also let me know where I can find them?

Thanks in advance.

[RoversClitheroe]

44 minutes ago, glen9mullan said:

We fully understand the legislation, have members who have been part of building the structure for the said legislation. 

Everything we do, we review the legal side and are extremely thorough and strategic to mitigate against the balls falling on the wrong side of the net.

The Coalition is made up of a lot of people, differing opinions/skill sets and does not stifle or prevent the group's involved carrying out their own objectives or remits. Individual group activities have not ceased or paused by being part of a collective panel.

Respecting each groups objectives and opinions has been paramount and remains top of the agenda in terms of how the Coalition operates.

Selling the club would be one outcome many desire.

However from a personal point of view stability, strong competent leadership at Board Level and the removal of those whose do the club harm is at the forefront of my mind.

We may get new owners and a continued circus entrusted with running the club.

We need to shut the circus down, and seek a hierarchy that functions with integrity , whilst are accountable for their actions.

If our current owners cannot implement the positive changes required for the club to rebuild then ultimately they need to go.

I'm a firm believer that we should never shut a door completely, but by the same sentiment, never be afraid to open a new one.

We need to eat the elephant piece by piece.

In terms of new owners one objective of the Coalition (baring in mind resource levels), is to make Rovers a credible purchase, developing what can be achieved,  how and utilising data and market research to increase the attractiveness to potential buyers/investors.

As I've tried to maintain throughout in my posts,  I'm trying to be as transparent as I can without literally handing on a plate to the club what our current activities are.

The club continues to ignore individual supporter group/ supporter emails, with them going unanswered regarding SLT engagement.

Whilst their generic response to the Coalition, was they'll speak to the Fans Forum in July.

The Coalition website is due to go live which has been worked on by a working group within the team and hopefully it can be another vehicle to communicate what's being done by all the volunteers involved.

 

I note your points about the supporter engagement with the club,  it's 100% been getting discussed weekly by the panel, at the moment the club has put a brick wall up.

 

 

How likely is Pasha to go? 

Surely him going could sort out a lot of issues?