So brfcs fans on this board “fail to think logically.” I see. So logically, Sam was removed. Logically, Keane was appointed. Logically, Coyle was appointed. And most logically of all, the paradox of all paradoxes, Venky’s brief to Waggott is to save money at all costs, which translates to a cheap ineffective manager (Mowbray plucked from obscurity) with nondescript backroom staff leading to mediocrity at all levels (cost £20 million plus per season) when a decent injection of cash, sensible manager and management could lead to promotion, greater cash rewards and a face-saving withdrawal. (Insert your own conspiracy theory here as to the reason for this paradox –interfering agents, incompetence, ineptitude, a desire to hide uncomfortable truths about the takeover and the blushes of the FA, a permanent way to flush tax losses.) I think logic and this club are not in the same universe.

200 pages closing in fast. New manager, er, closing in slowly and chaotically.

We could have had a few more 'miserable points' had we had a manager able to enthuse, able to have a basic grip on tactics and formations (Johnson false 9?), able to promote belief, able to enforce basic tactics for corners/freekicks/game management, able to man-manage successfully, able stop avoid favourites/sychophants, able to do basic essentials for success irrespective of the hand dealt in January.

LeftWinger This never happened did it. My apologies. It was Blackburn Rovers v Leicester City, 29 October 2001. Same principle applies.

Dunny should be nowhere near in a coaching capacity. Good player obviously, but nowhere near as good as he thought he was. Will never forget an ageing Robbie Savage coming to Ewood (with B/ham) and totally having Dunn in his pocket. On the next manager? Who knows? As someone wisely said, expect this thread to get to 200 pages before we find out. Cracking read though –highly entertaining. On the sea bass, for those red drinkers, a fruity pinot would do it or a Beaujolais. And a Chablis for the white.

“Effort.” Don’t think any player goes out and deliberately doesn’t try. But players can certainly be on the one hand at it 100% or if things are going badly hide or if not wanting to get injured lay off by a few % - ditto if nothing on the game or sometimes prioritising one match over another. But it was unquestioningly the case in the game with Johnson as false 9, that the energy levels of the players in the first half was low, the body language poor and the football hopeless. Second half, without a doubt the players were ‘at it’, snapping into tackles, pressing like demons. Clearly, they then believed in the changed shape and tactics. That second half change of attitude and performance was down to management issues and nothing to do with money. Only a simpleton would deny the importance of cash (and obviously a competent structure off the pitch.) But many here contend that irrespective of that, Mowbray has underachieved, failed badly, and not moved us on in 5 years.

Ewood doesn't have bats does it? Looks a tad Ozzyish. If he opens up the shirt and gets a bit more bling, then Balaji could give him the gig. 😉

Tyrone for manager. This thread to be red hot for the forseeable. Rovers snap into action and finally make a decision 1 or 2 weeks before season starts. Fans say: "Who. Is he still alive?" No planning in place. Rovers fans shuffle in for new season.

Jason Wilcox Might have legs. You can see it from the numpties viewpoint:- (no disrespect to Jason himself) Edit: sorry, that read badly. I mean the numpties at Ewood behind the scenes not Jason. Always liked him. · Never managed at senior level. · Cheap · Ex player so the incompetent management at Rovers will think that his appointment wouldn’t get criticised because he was one of our own. · Young and perhaps pliable. · Academy director at City so could have picked up ideas and also might get a few young loanees our way. · Further strengthens the idea that we are a development set up with no real aim of promotion. Suits the gravy train for various parties. Looking at it positively, (something one is very loathe to do with this pile of incumbents), it might be a progressive move if he came as head of youth set up not as manager. But would he want to do that with this dysfunctional nonsense around and leave a place where presumably he gets to coach some of the best youngsters in the world? Glen Interesting about Farke and the fact that it didn’t come out of Ewood. That suggests that the grubby agents and other internal interests might be bypassed. Could it really happen –a sensible choice for manager and a skewering of the vampire squid?

....as for the nonsense about us being entitled and should be grateful.... ...we did better than this current mob when we didn't have a pot to piss in.. 80/81 4th 81/82 4th (Newcastle/Chelsea well below us) 82/3 11th 83/4 6th 84/5 5th (2 places behind M.City) 85/6 19th 86/7 12th 1987/8 5th 1988/9 5th 89/90 5th 90/91 19th 91/92 6th

If so, I stand corrected. However, see my list of criteria for new Rovers managers on the other thread. It still holds -those who are desperate. Poor Berg he must have been.

Of course Berg said it after he left.

Yep really not a fan of Mowbray at all and want him to go but the management above him is utterly dysfunctional. As Berg said, what self-respecting manager would come to Blackburn Rovers?

Think of who you would like. It won't be him. Think of someone exciting/creative/proven. It won't be him. Think of someone sensible. It won't be him. Think of who is possible. It wont' be him. Think of some HSH reject. You might be getting warmer. Think of a yes man, willing to fit in to the present structure, desperate, dirt cheap, unemployed. Getting warmer. Think of someone who you hadn't thought of in a million years and you had forgotten was in management or even still existed. Getting very likely. Think of someone in-house, cheap, willing to be a yes person, so no disruption and miniumum amount of thinking required from the owners. Getting very warm.

Pointless getting rid of Mowbray (which I would like) unless you get rid of HSH influence, the board, Waggot, Venus and appoint decent management a la John Williams (yes I know he wasn't perfect but light years ahead of current mob.)

Since we understood the shenanigans of the Venky’s and owners and the subsequent nonsense of Kean and Coyle, it looks to me as though broadly, we have had 4 choices. 1. Venky’s to realise their error and sell up to at least reasonably competent and solvent new owners. This would be a popular progression and there may have been chances but didn’t happen and sadly, seems unlikely for the foreseeable. The next 2 choices represent extremes of opinion in the fanbase. 2. Get rid of the Venky’s and the vampire agents entirely even if it means little funding and even administration. The argument goes we would get the soul of our club back, have some honesty and coherence in management and may eventually claw our way back. 3. Keep on as we are. A tragic choice imo. leading to mediocrity, mendacity and avarice at all turns. The gravy train would continue and the vampires keep the percentages rolling. We all know the narrative by now. We should be grateful, it’s a young team, all is well, if the owners went we would be lost. Ugh. As someone posted earlier on these boards, Rovers achieved higher than this in the old division with little more than honest blood, sweat and tears. Sadly, a choice favoured by new fans and those who are not aware of much of what goes on and are happy to follow msm reporting/analysis. 4. There is another way that hasn’t been tried. So here, Venky’s stay and keep up the funding. BUT appoint a competent/exciting manager AND get rid of any connection with HSH AND appoint competent officials at the club. This would be so easy for the Venky’s and could easily lead to a saving of face and even saving of money. Sadly, I can’t see this happening because the Venky’s appear to be utterly foolish, don’t seem to care and the vampire squid appears to have a tight grip on matters.

It's a disgrace -Stroud is nearer Bournmouth than Blackburn. 😉

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Will Mowbray care if he is off? Will the players care? If several are leaving for a variety of reasons, then avoiding injury would be a priority. Just enough effort to make it look like they aren’t totally taking the micky? Whatever the result, Mowbray and co will have plenty of scapegoats and excuses (in their heads) to flesh out the usual narrative for failure.

glen May I take this opportunity to thank you for your useful and enlightening posts. Please post more if you feel that the whole sorry mess of a club hasn't exhausted you. Kind regards.

Please tell me Dunn has nothing to do with HSH.

Indeed. What a cesspit football has become. We are a long way from say a chairman who was a big man at a local factory, players who caught the bus with fans and did part-time jobs close season and youngsters whose parents got a nice fridge if they signed on.

Remember it all sadly. A sterling job and should be widely known. You deserve a medal. Hope you are well.

18/19 Preston 14th Rovers 15th 19/20 Preston 9th Rovers 11th 20/21 Preston 13th Rovers 15th 21/22 currently Rovers 8th Preston 13th

It’s all been fairly straightforward for Uncle Tony to control the narrative. Clueless and absent owners. Supine local press. Yes men on the bench. Mate as top man. Mediocre back room staff. Friendly agency. Apathetic fans beaten down by previous managers grateful for crumbs of hope. Wily pressers, masterclasses of deflection and doublespeak. No shortage of happy clappers. Brereton nearly blew it though, what with all those goals in the first half of the season. Normal service resumed now.