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Kane off, wasted 60 mins of the game for no reason. In the squad for sentimentality rather than form.

Give over, they're twice the team we are on and off the ball

This is the kind of game that shows why we need a new manager. Top international teams have an identity and style of play and dictate the tempo. Spain are levels above us. Utterly horrific performance in this half so far.

Gareth getting outclassed by a half time tactical change. Classic Gareth.

You were saying? Abysmal defending

Rodri being injured could be huge both in terms of the team and psychologically - we should be looking to step up and take charge of that midfield.

I'd argue it's like the 2nd half of the semi - we need pace to stop their defence pressing up against our midfield to give them space. Spain tired against France so I'm hoping that happens again and we can unleash some fresh legs off of the bench. It's winnable if Gareth wants it

He's so far off the pace again. The difference in the press is massive, we can barely get out of our own half.

It's going to take a miracle to win this I feel. Chasing shadows so far and Kane can't press. Hope I'm wrong but there is a chasm in quality so far.

I think the ideal scenario for everyone in to win and have him leave on a success, a final redemption after the penalty failures on years past. He succeeds and reaches the pinnacle without dragging things out and allowing it to get poisonous, and the fans and team get to move forward with a hopefully more progressive manager who can make them the side we know they can be.

99/100 times Bellingham misses that bicycle kick and England are out in the RO16 with a barely a shot on target across 4 games. You need luck in tournaments and we've definitely had a decent chunk so far.

Sven got knocked out by a generational Brazil side (who we could have beaten), was robbed in the Euros against Portugal with Campbell's last minute goal and then by 2006 it was starting to go wrong but Portugal were beatable there too. However, all of those opponents were more difficult than anything Southgate has navigated past so far. For me if we don't win on Sunday I don't see the argument for keeping Southgate and I think the best option for everyone would be a change, but I will concede that if we win it's hard to argue that whilst turgid it hasn't worked. I think Spain are beatable and France could have beat them the other night despite not being spectacular themselves, but first half semi-final England need to turn up, not the one from the rest of the tournament.

Another hit for me and now we've got rid of the vaping sponsor I can actually go and get one. As for the colour... it's just a colour. It has no more meaning than if the shirt was green or black and to ascribe anything more is asinine. Assuming the away one is a take on the black and red stripes then I expect this will be another year where Macron have knocked it out of the park. Customised kits to the club will always be much better than the slop Umbro and Nike were serving up.

There is zero chance of signing 4 or 5 quality players with the current regime and the court case going on.

Not really, if you consider that the hypothetical that people are reacting to is selling the league's top scorer for peanuts and replacing him with at best some 12 year old loanees from the PL. Especially considering how appalling bad we were last season it's going to take a miracle at this point to be optimistic about the new season.

Did I just see Watkins with a POTM trophy? He was on for 10 minutes - great goal but he touched the ball about 5 times, how on earth can he be POTM?

Apparently we're the first team in Euros history to reach the final despite being behind in both the QF and SF on the way (I guess you can add RO16 to that too). Can't argue with that I suppose - it's frustrating at time but we're getting there.

Well we don't do things easy but just one more. Spain didn't look invincible yesterday, it's winnable, but it will be hard.

What a goal that is! Superb play, makes me wonder why we haven't seen him before now.

Decent subs there, Watkins and Palmer should stretch the Dutch a bit and press better. Kane off was always the right choice.

It's been a "quiet" almost 30 minutes now. We've created nothing this half, the Dutch have multiple good opportunities. When exactly should he change it? When the Dutch score?

This happened against Italy, Croatia etc as well. Gareth won the early exchanges and then the opposition manager changed things and we threw the games away. Since the changes we've barely been in their half - Gareth needs to change it.

We are all over the place on set pieces and we're losing control of this game. Make a sub!

Has it? I'd argue if anything it's following the classic pattern of Gareth being completely outfoxed by any even slight change in tactics from an opposition manager. This is winnable but he needs to make a change.

I think all the pitches have been pretty poor this tournament. Next change surely needs to be Kane for Toney. He's so far off it it isn't funny.