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  1. As an East Lancs lad myself for many years, a lot of what has been said is somewhat true, but there are lots of factors that have contributed. Changing demographics is definitely one, but the club simply would not survive without its Asian members, East Lancs would have gone years ago. Some fine cricketers like Nas Iqbal or Mini and Mo Bhada have all graced the 1st XI with distinction in the recent past, Sohail Mohammed being another. Volunteers, the ones who are there at the club do an admirable job (I was in that role myself for almost a decade) but finding willing helpers across the age ranges seems to becoming harder and harder. Losing people like the late Tony Rose (RIP) or Larry Pearson, who (deservedly so) decided to step down, after a lifetime of service to the club, 50+ years boy and man. These people are so hard to replace, if not impossible! Look at the successful Lancashire League clubs and you'll find an army of helpers behind the scenes that keep the club going. See Stan Heaton at Lowerhouse, I'd argue if Stan was at East Lancashire, he'd turn the club into a powerhouse (excuse the pun) in no time! The 'traditional' Lancashire League as a whole, the expansion has shown their shortcomings, 9 of the 12 Division 2 teams are the old Lancashire League teams. With 6 of the bottom 7 being ex LL teams. Talk about history and how East Lancashire are struggling....the bottom 4 teams in Division 2. Rawtenstall, East Lancs, Rishton and Nelson combine for 52 Lancashire League titles and 37 Worsley Cups! Players appetite and commitment. This is a huge factor in any modern day amateur sport. Tales of players cutting their holidays short to fly/drive home to play a doubleheader away at Colne on a Saturday and then Ramsbottom on a Sunday in the cup are very much a thing of the past. Work pressures, family commitments and the added value on free time is so much different than it was, even 25 years ago! You will see huge lineup changes in any double header now. With this, squad depth is tested and players naturally don't want to be seen as uncommitted to the cause, so you see huge swathes of cricketers walking away from the game. Standards naturally drop as players are then chosen to ''make up the numbers''. I ran the third team for two years, and it was almost like a full time job just trying to get 11 lads out on a Saturday! Even then you'd find most where 14-18 and were playing Saturday and Sunday at senior level, then an under 15s match on a Tuesday and/or Thursday! The professionals debate, another where, to be honest, I don't mind East Lancs not having a professional! Great league pro's like Ockert Erasmus are a rarity these days, but the figures quoted on South African list A players, without any experience to their name, are huge! Once of a day the gates/bar/socials would cover the cost of these pro's, but for 20/24 LL teams I'd guess this isn't the case. Gone are the days of Viv Richards, Allan Donald and Michael Holding. That standard of professional just isn't available any more. Shaid Afridi was my dream East Lancashire pro! If I win the lottery, I'll see what I can do! Just my thoughts, but East Lancs is full of great people, trying their very best against all the odds. The fact that the club survives is testament to their work alone!
  2. Haha that was mine from the old boards. With the modern day substitutes encouraged to leave the pitch at the nearest side they're on, I'd imagine Tugay would have adapted his style to suit the modern game. A walk towards the traditional side (after taking the applause from the Riverside obviously) then reach just over halfway, before realising he can leave at the Riverside. Preferably close to the Darwen End, so he could milk the adulation whilst heading the "long way" back to the dugout via the Blackburn End. Still love Tugay
  3. Bloomin heck @glen9mullan a bit of balanced analysis! You might get kicked off here! 😁 Fine post. Things are never definitively one way or another when it comes to football clubs.
  4. Its just an opinion, but I think that's where we are at. In terms of ambition, we've wasted the last four seasons, I don't see this one being any different. If the stars align for a club at this level (ala Barnsley last year) then maybe a playoff push is within reach, but in a post Covid world, survival is the priority.
  5. Whilst its hardly a thrilling transfer window when you lose your best two players (Armstrong for money and Elliott to a loan return) I think its important to try and see the bigger picture. Going into the season, some four weeks ago, mine and plenty of forum members fears where that we'd be relegated. The fear we'd be cut adrift and face a season like the one under Coyle in 16/17 with us battling from a home thumping by Norwich on the opening day, to the heartbreak at Griffin Park months later. With signings like Gordon Greer, Tommie Hoban, Anthony Stokes, Wes Brown, Stephen Hendrie, Jack Byrne and Martin Samuelsen.......shudder This season has been surprisingly pleasing so far, we've put 8 points on the board, shown a togetherness, team spirit and most refreshingly of all have shown a willingness to dig in, scrap and stand up to the physical battles, which was missing from last seasons squad in abundance. It took us 9 games to get 8 points in 16/17 The squad we have is good enough to better last seasons dismal performance of 15th place, but lets face it, we're more than a striker away from pushing for the playoffs! And with that said I'm happy to sit tight, let the FFP clock restart next season and take things from there. We've bemoaned the fact Gallagher has played as a right winger for two seasons, now lets see him down the middle. BBD similarly, the challenge has been set to both of them to get 10-15 goals this season, which they should both be capable of. Who of last seasons squad (bar the aforementioned Elliott and Armstrong) would anyone actually want at the club? Harwood-Bellis perhaps, but we were never going to be able to match the lure of Champions League football. Williams, Mulgrew, Bennett, Downing and Evans were all too old and ready to drop down the divisions, or move to new leagues. The collective cheers around Blackburn when Bell, Douglas and Trybull departed were palpable, whilst the youth fringe players also had proven that their futures were at pastures new, see Grayson, Lyons, White, Mols et al. Lets see how good or bad Poveda, Khadra, Edun, Clarkson, van Hecke and Pickering are? This board and other Rovers fans are also quick to criticise loaning in players from other clubs and not giving our own youth a chance... Carter, Magloire, Cirino, McBride, Pike, Garrett, Annesley and Vale all should see time in and around the first team squad this season (bench time or playing) lets see how good they are. Dack, Rankin-Costello and Johnson to return also. Hopefully some of the cash from Armstrong can be spent on tying down Nyambe, BBD and Rothwell to extensions. This season was always going to be a transitional year, its proved to be so far. We have a squad that should finish between 12th and 18th, which is where we are at present.
  6. Yes!! this takes me back. Probably 10 years since I last did a preview, so I'll take one @Mike E Sheffield United (home) Saturday 6th November
  7. Personal thoughts, maybe I'll put my tin hat on. I think its a worthy effort at a reconnection. Some fans will never want to see them walk through the door ever again, whilst some fans will want to see the owners back at matches, showing passion and engaging once more with Blackburn Rovers. If a letter like this offends or strikes a level of hatred/vitriol/anger then the club and thus the owners are probably beyond redemption for you, under any circumstances, and that is absolutely fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Personally I think it is another small step in the right direction. The Rao family at Ewood would be another and that at some point between 2011 and now I've made a conscious (or subconscious) decision that they are here to stay, we need their investment on a year by year basis and that maybe, just maybe, there is a happy ending to this story. Of course I and us will never forget the circus around their early involvement in the club, the nefarious characters that were involved at all levels of the club, from the boardroom to the pitch. But it is history, we can't change that, they can't change that. We can change what happens today and what happens tomorrow. What they can do, is commit to the club financially, upkeep the academy and provide the best tools they can (FFP allowing) for the manager of that time to flourish. Which is what they seem to be doing. Maybe I'm being naive, but I think the club can come back together, a period of healing needs to be done on all sides and bridges rebuilt (or at least attempts to rebuild) from the owners and the fans. I do think that then and only then, can the club look upwards and back towards the Premier League. We need the fans back in numbers, we need the owners engaged, we need that optimism and spirit back in the town, the community, the fanbase. Its a long road back, but maybe their return could be the first step?
  8. Absolutely, I went in with pure skepticism and whilst some things are obviously a touch revisionist, I can see where he's coming from and the mercenary aspect of that team that got relegated. The trickle down effect of toxic leadership from Jerome/Kentato/SEM or whoever was pulling the strings at that time. Orr was a player out of his depth ability wise, but others with far greater ability (see N'Zonzi and Givet) let the side down as much if not more so. Nice for him to acknowledge that he knew when he was giving the interview, that he was burning his bridges with the fans. Amazing loyalty from him to Kean when you think about it.
  9. I don't actually remember that incident.... So many around that time!
  10. Bump to the thread. I was down in Bristol last weekend at a family party. My cousin is a big Bristol City fan. He was mentioning to me a podcast that some fans do down there, called ''One Stream in Bristol'' https://onestreaminbristol.libsyn.com/ Similar to our very own BRFCS podcast @Herbie6590🙌 and brought my attention to a couple he thought I'd like/be interested in. 1. Frank Fielding (a mate of mine, I went to school with Frank) https://onestreaminbristol.libsyn.com/a-cider-with-frankie-fielding 26:50 onwards to about 31:42 (interesting early Venkys era) 2. The infamous Bradley Orr https://onestreaminbristol.libsyn.com/a-cider-with-bradley-orr 1:44:50 onwards (some very interesting claims/statements, particularly against Givet and Nzonzi, plus Henning Berg....oh and Shebby Singh) Having had the chance to listen to both now, worth a listen. To save some time, time stamps for both are.
  11. Maybe this is me trying to be a bit optimistic. But I think 2021/22 will be an eye opener of a year in the Championship and perhaps the start of a new age for the league in terms of the haves vs. the have nots. The Premier League has long been dictated by the top 4/5 teams that challenge for the title/Champions League spots, with a handful left to scrap for the Europa League spots, whilst the majority look for 40 points and survival as soon as possible. I think this season you'll see a clear gap, much like last season, and a new trend set for years to come. Expect Fulham, West Bromwich and Sheffield Utd to be dominant with their parachute payments, whilst Bournemouth will live off their recent Premier League status also. The dial backs from Huddersfield last season and seemingly Swansea City this year prove as much. This brings me to the Rovers. On paper we look up against it. Whilst I think we're in an unenviable position all things considered, at least we have a strong academy to fall back on! This will become even more important I'd have thought, with squad depths at an all time low. Its amazing looking at the players who've been released from clubs at this level that are still free agents! A hypothetical squad that is still available two days before the season starts, made up of players who played in the Championship LAST season. All these are still Free agents! Thus facing dropping down the legaues/moves abroad/retirement GK - Kieren Westwood, Luke Daniels Def - Adrian Mariappa, Sol Bamba, Joe Bennett, Tommy Elphick, Billy Jones Mid - Jack Wilshere, Lewis Holtby, Junior Hoilett, Jonny Williams, Florean Jozefzoon, Nathaniel Mendez-Liang, Marco Stiepermann, Kadeem Harris, Joey Pelupessy Att - Jamie Patterson, Marley Watkins, Jordon Ibe, Oumar Niasse, Yaya Sanogo, Marvin Johnson, Kyle Vassell, Elias Kachunga This doesn't include the players who are obviously surplus to requirements either, see Tom Trybull. Squad depths are fragile across the league. My thoughts are probably concluded by the fact that...yes whilst it does feel bleak at Rovers, the COVID crisis is only now hitting the clubs in the pockets. This plus Brexit, reduced revenues, the disparity between the parachute clubs and the rest... Its probably going to be an eye opening season for many teams. Can Rovers better last season and finish 15th? Absolutely Can Rovers finish in the bottom three? Absolutely My prediction would be a big gap between the top 3, and big gap between the playoff teams and 7th place and then a bunch of teams from 10th-23rd (sorry Derby) seperated by a handful of points for most, if not all of the season.
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