It feels like he hasn't really grasped the seriousness of the situation yet. He thinks it'll be like last season and we'll suddenly start picking up wins after going through a rough patch. I'm not convinced, and I think if we fail to win before the international break Mowbray may start to realise that we're in big trouble.

So apparently a significant amount of WWE talent have been kept in SA and aren't being allowed to fly home. Meltzer on Twitter: "Some notes since nobody can say anything. WWE had a problem in Saudi Arabia. Talent was not allowed to leave on their flight and most are still there. 20 people, 12 of which were talent, have left but the rest are still there." PWInsider: "the majority of those delayed leaving Saudi Arabia for tonight's Smackdown taping will not make the taping and are now at hotels in Riyadh. We are told there is no word yet when they are now leaving to return to the United States" Sean Ross Sapp on Twitter: "There were rumors among talent that Vince McMahon got in some kind of disagreement in Saudi Arabia, though I haven't been able to fully confirm that."

AEW: 749,000, NXT: 580,000. The numbers look bad however there is a huge mitigating factor in game 7 of the world series being broadcast on the same night and getting a monster 23m viewers. Numbers should theoretically go back up for both shows now that the world series has ended. If they don't then that's obviously a worry.

LT has been a propaganda comic for a while now hasn't it?

No quotes, no sources, no crediblity.

yeah, because there's so many fans who are desperate for the club to remain poor, in debt and uncompetitive! Redundant writing at its finest.

Quality posts like that are why I'll always prefer forums to facebook or twitter!

For the record calling your post "waffle" was unacceptable. The only reason I didn't hide it was because by the time I saw it there had already been some proper discussion generated from it and I didn't want to have to hide it all. Nothing wrong with your posts at all mate so keep going.

Far more likely to go ten without a win. We're already over half way there.

Goddamn. Smackdown was on FS1 this week but still only posted 888,000 viewers - that's legitimately terrible. They were expecting a drop, but not that bad. They actually drew less viewers than AEW. I mean, the show is pretty awful so it's not a surprise in that sense, but to lose roughly 1.6m viewers is incredible.

Yep Turner are going in pretty hard with the advertising for AEW. Even ITV have been advertising it during the Rugby half time breaks. I liked the look and demeanour of Lee. He's definitely got charisma and for a big man seems to have quite a varied and interesting moveset. He'd be wasted on the main roster (think Big E before the New Day happened) but there's plenty of room for him to shine in NXT.

Yeah indeed, thread is here: His sources at the club obviously aren't that good!

Didn't that story turn out to be false ?? Or am I thinking of the other one? I know the Sun ran two Bowyer sacking stories, one which they got wrong at the end of August and another after he actually was sacked.

If he is then I really don't want to know what the question is

If we fail to win our next two matches before the international break then that will be 8 games without a win. Even if we draw both matches our return would be a pathetic 4 points out of 24, and if we lose both then it'll be 2 points out of 24. Even a win and a draw would only be 6 points out of 24, and that's optimistic! I'm really tired of watching us go through these nosedives under Mowbray. I've said before that one day we won't be able to pull ourselves up out of it and it feels like we might be there this time. The Huddersfield match could have been the point where we pulled ourselves up but we threw two points away. Yesterday again, but this time we threw the entire lot away. Confidence must be rock bottom in the camp at this point and TM's increasingly withdrawn demeanour on the touchline suggests he knows this time it might be terminal. If we fail to register any wins before the international break he really should walk - although I very much doubt he will. If we do go down this season then every good thing he's done here will essentially be erased. We'll be right back to square one and this time I think most of our better players (Dack, Graham, Mulgrew, Lenihan, Holtby, Rothwell, Travis) will be out of here leaving us in a significantly worse position than we were the first time we dropped into L1.

I'm sure they and every other club in the division would love us to keep Mowbray on for as long as possible.

Our reputation was probably at its lowest during the SK/Shebby Singh/Agnew/Shaw era. There was so much embarrassing shit going on at the time that I don't even want to try and remember any of it. Nowadays we're just "that club owned by Venky's" and I'm afraid we will be until they finally go.

I doubt they even know we got beaten by Brum, let alone today's result. They might not even be aware the new season has started yet.

Absolutely. Can still remember them crowing on the final day of the 2010/11 season that Kean had proved the doubters wrong and was such a dignified and noble man, etc, despite it being blatantly obvious the man was a total fraud who was only taking us in one direction. Obviously I'm not comparing Mowbray to Kean or Coyle, but the point is these types of fans pull the wool over their own eyes and wear their blind loyalty to the manager as a bizarre badge of pride. You'd be better off discussing the state of the club with a brick wall.

Hard to pay much attention to those fans. They are the same people who if Mowbray was sacked would be saying it was time, and would then throw their undivided loyalty behind the next guy, even if he was a total joke. Can still remember plenty of fans inexplicably backing Coyle despite the appointment stinking to high heaven. "The king is dead, long live the king".

Mowbray told Bauer he would have to "earn his place" in the side, despite us not having a single decent centre back on the books besides possibly Lenihan. Just another example of the manager screwing us over with his bizarre mentality.

I said to the mate I was with at the time when I saw it was 2-0 - "we almost always concede at least two a game. We'll need to score four to win this." I'm so used to it that being 2-0 up doesn't reassure me at all. It just makes me wonder how long it'll take for us to collapse.

How the fuck does this comment even make sense when the team in a higher position beat the team in a lower position? What planet is he on? His comments are just fantasy-land stuff. He sounds delusional but there's certainly no sense of him walking any time soon.

The only thing that's going to change is our league position as we slip into the relegation zone.

Add another loss to the Armstrong/Gallagher starting together stats.