I doubt they even know we got beaten by Brum, let alone today's result. They might not even be aware the new season has started yet.

Absolutely. Can still remember them crowing on the final day of the 2010/11 season that Kean had proved the doubters wrong and was such a dignified and noble man, etc, despite it being blatantly obvious the man was a total fraud who was only taking us in one direction. Obviously I'm not comparing Mowbray to Kean or Coyle, but the point is these types of fans pull the wool over their own eyes and wear their blind loyalty to the manager as a bizarre badge of pride. You'd be better off discussing the state of the club with a brick wall.

Hard to pay much attention to those fans. They are the same people who if Mowbray was sacked would be saying it was time, and would then throw their undivided loyalty behind the next guy, even if he was a total joke. Can still remember plenty of fans inexplicably backing Coyle despite the appointment stinking to high heaven. "The king is dead, long live the king".

Mowbray told Bauer he would have to "earn his place" in the side, despite us not having a single decent centre back on the books besides possibly Lenihan. Just another example of the manager screwing us over with his bizarre mentality.

I said to the mate I was with at the time when I saw it was 2-0 - "we almost always concede at least two a game. We'll need to score four to win this." I'm so used to it that being 2-0 up doesn't reassure me at all. It just makes me wonder how long it'll take for us to collapse.

How the fuck does this comment even make sense when the team in a higher position beat the team in a lower position? What planet is he on? His comments are just fantasy-land stuff. He sounds delusional but there's certainly no sense of him walking any time soon.

The only thing that's going to change is our league position as we slip into the relegation zone.

Add another loss to the Armstrong/Gallagher starting together stats.

At any normal club he'd be finished, but at a club where he's allowed to appoint his mates in high positions and answers to absent owners who probably only check the table once every six months (or whenever Suhail can be bothered to let them know what's going on) he's laughing.

We have all the hallmarks of a relegation team. Desperately need to make a change before it's too late.

Only positive is that it's hopefully another step closer to the exit for TM.

Losing this way is even worse than getting thumped.

Rothwell to start every week please.

"Joe has to take the blame for today's 4-3 defeat I'm afraid. He may have scored all three goals, cleared two off the line and run the most yards on the pitch, but the lad needs to think about his positional play and his team game."

It's almost like Mowbray is trolling us and Rothwell by selecting him to start and then picking that team to surround him.

We can only hope Tony took Evans to a hypnotist during the week and now he thinks this is an international match.

Gallagher and Armstrong in the same team is statistically very bad news. Combine with Bell at LB and an Evans/Bennett CM pairing (lol) and it's almost like Mowbray wants to lose. No wonder he said they'd probably be better than us if this was the team he had in mind.

You're absolutely right that successful teams have strong, vocal leaders across the entire pitch. Not sure we have any at all.

Don't think he'll walk and think it's way too early for him to be sacked. Even Coyle wasn't removed until February.

Just watched NXT... Belair Vs Ripley - really solid women's match. Both have the potential to be stars as long as they stay in NXT. WWE would ruin both on the main roster. Riddles Vs Grimes - really liked this one. Riddle is another absolute star. Wonder if they're going to do anything with him and Goldberg? It would have to end with Riddle going over, otherwise there's no point. Breezango & Scott Vs The Forgotten Sons - eh, was fine I guess. It's nice to see Breezango doing something at least, although I wish they were still doing the Fashion Files. Angel Garza Vs Jack Gallagher - Standard 205 Live fare. It was okay but I don't care enough about the characters to get that into it. Nox/Kai Vs Duke/Shafir - short but fine for a TV match. I liked the Kabuki Warriors promo, which ironically was better than most of the other promos on the show despite being 90% in Japanese and therefore unintelligible to me. Strong Vs Lee Vs Dijakovic - very good triple threat match, Takeover quality level. I like that they had Strong go over without having the Undisputed Era help him. Heels need to get clean wins to be considered legitimate. The post-match angle with the UE & Ciampa/Gargano/Balor was well done too. You could see Balor's turn coming but it was still executed well and the crowd reaction was great. I like that they left it open as to whether Balor had joined the Undisputed Era or whether he was working alone. I still preferred AEW overall but it was still a very strong show from NXT. Both Wednesday night shows blow Raw & Smackdown out of the water. They're practically a different form of entertainment at this point. On a side note I didn't think much of the promos on NXT this week. I don't like the picture-in-picture promos where they have the guy staring off-centre from the camera. It just looks weird (also the promos felt really scriped and not natural at all). Pete Dunne's promo was pretty meh as well. At least they are doing promos though. Other than Cody & Jericho nobody else seems to be allowed to speak on Dynamite. Their matches are great but AEW needs to add a bit more promo time to help push along storylines and develop some of the characters. WWE does give their wrestlers promo time but it comes across as scripted and fake which is a problem. You can tell the difference between a wrestler like Flair or Hogan just winging it versus most of the other roster members, and the former always comes across as more authentic and interesting even if not every bullet point is hit.

Don't think Rodwell would make a blind bit of difference. Has the same attitude as most of our players - looked decent when we're in control, totally disappeared when we were under the cosh. Also a pretty rubbish CB which is where he'd likely be playing if he was here.

Just shows how desperate he is, when he's reaching to those depths to try and defend the shit he's serving up. We should NEVER have been in League 1 in the first place. The only reason we ended up there was because of the horrific decision to appoint Owen Coyle. Mowbray proved when he came in that we had enough to survive, and in almost any other season 51 points would have seen us stay up comfortably. We romped out of League 1 without even playing well because our players were far too good for that division and didn't even need to be anywhere near their best to win most matches. We literally sold nobody from a team that got 51 points the previous season in the Championship, bought the best player in League 1 and then a bunch of other players who were pretty much all playing at Championship level before they came here. Downing the only major exception I can think of off the top of my head. Even with all of those advantages, and I believe the highest wage bill in the division by some disance, we still had to settle with finishing second. Grateful to get out of League 1 at the first attempt, but we had a lot going for us and were far too good for that division. It would have been an epic and unforgiveable failure if we hadn't gotten promoted. I think Mowbray pretty much said that himself at the time, so to now bring it up as if we're a newly promoted lower league team getting to grips with the fearsome Championship is nonsense. Stop coming up with ridiculous excuses and just admit this is not good enough!

Even the Facebook lads are raging over these insanely stupid quotes, and they're rarely critical of anybody other than fellow fans.

Had to "earn his place" past the mighty Lenihan, Williams, Mulgrew, Nyambe, Grayson and Platt as well. No wonder he told us to do one.

We went on our worst run of results ever under Venky's (including the Steve Kean era) under Mowbray last year and he was safe as houses. Don't think results are going to matter unless we're adrift and then it'll be too late, so we might as well keep hoping for wins even they are becoming less and less likely as Mowbray wraps himself in contradictions and nonsense.