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Leicester two down at Hull. Cifuentes will be starting to sweat, you'd think. With the talent in that squad they should not be struggling as much as they are.

Reckon we'll have a shot before half time?

I guess we know who's blinking first.

After the reported falsification of the previous official minutes, and the club's seeming refusal to engage with anything other than positive feedback (or trivial issues), any meeting seems utterly pointless. Meeting with these people only legitimises their presence and authority. If their actions were as detailed previously, then Glen and the Action Group's stance is absolutely the correct one. Attending would be a waste of everyone's time.

Early days yet, but a solid enough start for Keef. Looking like this season won't see the three promoted clubs all go down again, anyway.

I wouldn't be so sure if the January window is as reprehensible as the summer one.

Completely different situation here now, compared to when Mowbray was last here. He had a lot of sway over various areas of the club at ground level last time. Now that Pasha and Gestede are at the wheel, steering us off a cliff, he'd have far less autonomy to do what he felt was necessary. I'm not sure any manager can make a success out of this with those two at the helm.

Loser talk. Winners don't make excuses, they just focus on getting whatever needs to be done, done. When JDT and Eustace saw their plans being torn to shreds by the idiots in charge they offered to resign in protest - they were forced to stay. Ismael has just sat there and nodded along as everything around him has been bulldozed.

How I supported Rovers pre-Venky's feels so different to post-Venky's that it's like it happened in another lifetime. Blackburn Rovers as I knew it effectively died the day they took over, and what's been stumbling around since then I can only recognise as a zombie that vaguely resembles what came before but is completely dead inside. Other fans will occasionally hop on here to lecture us on protesting, sticking by the club, and so on, but none of them have the right as no other club has experienced such a prolonged demise with no end in sight. We are the footballing example of death by a thousand cuts.

I said to a Liverpool supporting friend earlier in the season that if I was one of their supporters I'd be worried that they keep having to rely on luck to win, and that if they couldn't address their problems then sooner or later things would turn in the other direction. Fair to say they didn't address their problems and this is the end result. Man United now two points off the top four, lol.

If Coyle had been sacked a month earlier we would have likely survived. If Ismael was sacked today a new manager will still come in and have almost nothing to work with. I don't think it can be understated how much damage was done this summer with such an insane and suicidal transfer "strategy".

A question we've all been asking for a decade plus. Not sure there's been a situation like it at this level - not that I can recall, anyway. Disinterested, useless owners are almost always gone within a few years at most. Not ours though.

My guess - if we assume the aim is not to actually get relegated - is that it's a combination of arrogance and complacency from the hierarchy. They've seen us compete in and around the top half in most recent seasons without a huge outlay, so figured they could continue that trend without too many worries. They clearly aren't particularly arsed about actually being promoted, for whatever reason, but felt there was no danger in releasing a significant amount of our Championship experience and replacing it with cheap unknowns. It would have been obvious to anybody with any modicum of sense that this was going to be one of the most challenging seasons in terms of staying up in a while, with no obvious candidates beyond Sheffield Wednesday to go down due to the three promoted clubs being pretty strong and no other clubs looking to be in major disarray. This was not the season to take such a significant gamble.

If you can't afford a decent outlay on a striker, then your next best bet is to make your team defensive and hard to beat. Squeeze out victories from small margins and concede as few as possible. We sold our last reliable, experienced defender at the end of the transfer window instead. Gross incompetence if the goal is to stay in the division.

I think our relegation rivals will be Sheff Weds (basically already gone as they will surely be hit with a points deduction at some point, so one slot guaranteed), Oxford and Derby. Sheffield United will get out of it with Wilder there, and I think Wrexham & Birmingham will spend enough to keep them clear. Teams like Watford, Swansea and Southampton look to have too many good players to go down. Portsmouth could get dragged in, but I think Mousinho is a good manager who will keep them safe. QPR and Hull seem to have done well in recruiting their managers. PNE could tumble, as they did last season, but at the moment don't look to be in danger. As far as the teams who, at this moment, look to be scrapping it out with us for the foreseeable future in those relegation spots... Oxford have a canny operator in charge when it comes to Rowett, but are financially weak in comparison with most of the division. They'll struggle but have fight in them, so they won't go down easy. Norwich will likely sack Manning fairly soon, and their next appointment will be crucial. You feel they have enough talent, particularly with a player like Sargent up front, to avoid going down. Derby are looking weak, but you wouldn't bet against Eustace ultimately keeping them up. Worrying start for them this season though, a lot worse than I expected. They've also spent some cash and may spend more in January. Then there's us. A poor manager who is highly unlikely to be sacked, and even if by some miracle he is, in typical Venky fashion it will be far too late. We have a desperately poor squad heavily reliant on a single player (Cantwell) for any form of creativity. The majority of Championship experience has been lost. We have as wretched of an attacking unit as I can remember in the famous blue and white halves. Ryan Hedges is a first teamer. Owners offer no hope for salvation, and neither do our senior officials. Very difficult to see anything other than relegation for us.

Tbf us "playing well" this season just means us being somewhat competitive. Standards are, understandably, through the floor.

Wonder if Rudy is still sanctimoniously replying to fans on LinkedIn?

Monumentally stupid decision to hire him in the first place, with a predictable outcome. One assumes that will be that for Ange in England.

Have to agree. I remember absolutely fuming after that match - not the fact we lost, but the fact we barely laid a glove on them and didn't look up for it at all. JDT's lack of apology - I think he actually called it just another game - was galling.

I was, at times, slightly more critical than most of JDT's tactical nous whilst he was here. Nonetheless I understood he was an inexperienced manager learning on the job with us. First season saw some minor experimentation in play - second season felt like he was just being stubborn because the project had been undermined by the owners and he wanted to be sacked. Difficult to make much of a judgement on it. If he'd been backed in his first season I think we'd have made the playoffs, which would have been very impressive considering his relatively limited tactical flexibility. Alas, we'll never know. I appreciated his candour and always felt he was on the fans' side rather than the board. Wouldn't have done much for him professionally here, but it was nice to have someone willing to take the board to task (and deservedly so). His repeated jabs about the coach farce were particularly amusing. I was surprised he went to international management after us. Weird move for a manager his age with mostly club experience. In hindsight, the wrong move. Will be interesting to see where he pops up next. Don't think this will be his last job, and I assume he'll return to club management next.

Javi Gracia: Watford reappoint former boss after sacking Paulo Pezzolano - BBC Sport The Watford managerial merry-go-round continues. Gracia hops back on.

Have to admit I didn't expect it to go quite that wrong for Martin at Rangers. His final season at Southampton aside, he's always been more of a deeply average manager than an outright bad one. It was obvious he was going to sink when he criticised the players after league game number one, though. No chance of it ending in anything other than tears after that. As an aside, if we'd treated Kean how Rangers fans treated Martin, there would have been media campaigns to have the club dissolved and the fans jailed. Guess Russell needs more friends in high places.

Disappointing. It was fun while it lasted.

What worries me is that a lot of performances people are classifying as "good", like WBA, I found to be very average if not poor. From memory we had a single shot on target in the WBA game. We finished 7th last season and have been in and around the playoffs in most seasons since L1 promotion. I understand standards being lowered a lot due to the choice of manager and suicidal transfer policy, but still, it's tough for me to call much of what I've seen this season as good. At best the odd 15-20 minutes here and there where we look a bit threatening, but is that where the limits of our ambitions should be?

Even though Ipswich didn't play especially well, it was obvious their players were a class above Norwich's. Much smarter passing and movement. Another superb goal from Philogene as well. At some point defenders will presumably be advised to close him down rather than stand off and let him pick his spot. The lad is clearly deadly from outside the box if he's given time.