JHRover

How does that work? We didn't do a deal with Bournemouth, they signed him on a free transfer. We got compensation and that will be the end of it.

It doesn't count as making signings if we try and nearly do. Although for some it is almost as good as. Still enables online searches into these players and talk about how useful they might have been before it all starts again in May.

I think most of us can see that at times and in parts we have a good squad. This is one of the reasons for frustration. This time last year we were well placed and confidence was high. We did nothing in January and our season unravelled. It seems no lessons have been learned from that with virtually the exact same lack of activity and soundbites coming from the club. I wouldn't bet against a similar collapse when the inevitable injuries to our threadbare squad come during the next 4 months.

If true, expect to see a low cost loan arrive imminently. As with Mulgrew/Cunningham it will be one in one out and we have been waiting to get someone off the wage bill to enable one to come in.

Hold on, i thought our owners were billionaires eager to invest? In that case we do have the money. If the manager's track record on transfers is an issue then change the manager or bring in someone to oversee him and his recruitment. Not signing anyone because the manager has wasted funds previously isn't the way to do it.

Not really. The only club to have received anything more than a soft embargo at this level was Birmingham. It took them 18 months to decide on a punishment and when they finally got round to it they knocked 9 points off them when they were sat comfortably in mid-table, it made next to no impact to their season and the slate was wiped clean and past crimes erased. No side chasing promotion or fighting relegation has had any sort of sanction. Meanwhile Villa, Bournemouth, QPR, Leicester and Wolves have walked all over the rules, won the ultimate prize of promotion and have had nothing but a nominal fine. I'd say it is a gamble entirely worth taking.

On the contrary I think Birmingham know the rules aren't worth the paper they are written on. Sheffield Wednesday are taking them to the cleaners too.

Yeah, not saying they are top drawer signings but Birmingham have struggled for goals all season so are doing something to try and address it with a couple of players who have been around the block in this League

Or we can increase income and spend more. Especially when we've got billionaire owners desperate to invest.

I take it you've forgotten Gestede, Rhodes, Cairney, Marshall, Hanley, Duffy, Raya, King - estimated £33 million there.

Birmingham signing Hogan and Enobokhare. Couple of potentially season changing additions if used correctly. Thought they were in FFP bother?

We've brought in more money through player sales since 2015 than pretty much anyone in this league.

Raya? Mahoney? £4 million

Forest signed Gaetan Bong from Brighton. Compare and contrast - owners that hide behind Ffp and pretend they want to invest and owners who have invested heavily for 2 years to try to get promoted and don't give a stuff about Ffp.

Do you get points, goals and results for trying hard, being honest and principled?

Need a win here if we are serious. This lot are tough to beat at home but are in the position they are for a reason. They are unlikely to go down but it is still a possibility, as we are unlikely to go up but it is still a possibility. I reckon 0-0 or 1-1. Go behind and we will struggle big time.

I am concerned that the transfer negotiations are being handled by Mowbray and Venus rather than someone higher up the chain. I don't think in this day and age it is right or good for the manager to be doing this. Deadline day tomorrow and Mowbray is on about being at Brockhall whilst the squad go up to Middlesbrough. Not good. CEO or Sporting Director should be dealing with the transfer nonsense tomorrow and Mowbray should be 100% focused on 3 points at the Riverside. No room for slip ups if we really want promotion.

But but but FFP!

Sheffield Wednesday were charged with FFP breaches and it was rumoured Birmingham were about to be done again too. Both have signed players this month and neither has been sanctioned. Why are we still talking about FFP as an issue? There's no money left in the kitty and therefore no scope for signings. The best it will be is an 18 year old cheap deal like Sam Hart or Harry Chapman or a loan on heavily subsidised wages at the last minute. Neither of those approaches are likely to result in an improvement to our side.

I don't really want to derail the thread much further. My original issue was with the claim (i believe ludicrous) that these owners are ready and willing to invest whatever it takes but can't. I think that is nonsense and I've seen absolutely nothing in the last 7 years to make me think otherwise. Back to those clubs - Brighton were playing on an athletics pitch when their owner took over - look at them now - he sunk in £200 million or something like that and they are now unrecognisble. Their crowds have grown accordingly. Wolves, Bournemouth weren't getting 30,000+ crowds. Bournemouth smaller than ours and Wolves perhaps 5000 more than us most weeks. We make money by bringing in more sponsors (including some from beyond Blackburn with Darwen). How about some international sponsors like most other Championship sides have? Am I supposed to believe that a family business like Venkys, the biggest poultry company in India, 100 companies, billionaires, in business for 40+ years have no ability to do some deals with friends of theirs to get some extra money into the club?

None of those clubs i mentioned were promoted when their owners arrived. Their owners wanted to better their clubs so invested real money into improvements across the board - facilities, staff, players, managers - and reaped the rewards of that with promotion. Our lot have just been on a damage limitation exercise whilst hiding away on the other side of the world. Yes they've put money in to keep the doors open, but lets not pretend they are sat with their chequebooks open desperate to invest and push us on to a new level but can't because of FFP . 1) If they were keen enough to invest there are ways of doing it as the above clubs have shown 2) If they were keen to invest they could still do so to facilities/non playing staff yet have spent diddly squat.

They spent the first summer because they thought it was so simple as buying promotion and left Shebby and Kean to wreck the club by piling ridiculous costs onto the books. After summer 2012 it became a cost cutting exercise focused on reducing costs and recruiting through frees, loans and cheap signings. Only 2-3 exceptions to that in the 7 years since - Brereton, Armstrong, Gallagher - and it is clear what the motivation was with those. I'm afraid it is going to take a lot more than this to convince me these owners are keen to spend but cannot. I look at what the owners at Wolves, Leicester, Villa, Brighton, Bournemouth have done since 2012 compared to ours and there's no comparison. Our lot have zero interest or pride in the club and will only invest into players if a case can be put to them that they'll get a return on it in a few years.

For the first 2 years after relegation we weren't constrained by FFP. Where was their spending then? If FFP was abolished tomorrow Venkys would sanction massive spending on players? Nah. Look at the state of Ewood. No investment at all beyond essential stuff. They just aren't interested. For years the theory was that they would spend big if promotion was a possibility. Last two January's we have been in decent positions yet nothing spent on the team. They're having us on

An important and welcome 3 points that keeps us ticking along. It was so important to build upon that Sheffield result with another win as dropped points would have wiped away some of the progress we made there last week. The performance wasn't good other than the first 15 minutes, but I won't ever complain if we end up with 3 points. Overall it was a 'typical' Rovers/Mowbray home performance - a positive first 10-15 where we played some really good stuff, got at them and created some good openings and got ahead - should have had 2 - then conceded out of little pressure with their first chance of the game - then it deteriorated into an hour or so of nothingness other than the Lenihan header to get us ahead. If that header had gone over I'm fairly certain the game would have petered out into a draw - thankfully we got that goal and from there dug in and protected what we had but that second half as we've seen so many times wasn't good to watch but we did enough to get the job done. It is clear to me that we expend so much energy into the first 20 minutes of games and are often rewarded with early goals that we are unable to sustain it and end up knackered and hanging on later on in games. I loved Travis' performance - in the opposition faces, winding them up, ran all night long - last few minutes he was down by the corner flag stopping crosses coming in clearly knackered - my MOTM. Overall keeps us in touching distance of the teams above us and you never know whilst you remain in reach. Still think we need a couple of quality signings to have any chance.

This sounds lovely but simply can't or won't happen. Mowbray has thrown Buckley in and he looks out of his depth at this stage. Chapman has been mediocre at the very best playing for the u23s. JRC has just made his first appearance - a brief cameo debut in a game we were 4-0 up in - a long way to go before we can set out to rely on him. As it stands we will need nearly double figures. 2x GK, 2x CB, 1x LB, 1x CM (if Downing goes or Evan's isnt ready), 1x RM and 1 x CF to replace Graham propery - all at the least. For a manager and club that struggles to get bodies in the building and has a dodgy record on transfers I'm not particularly relaxed about this.