I'm sorry but where is the confrontation/insult/generalisation in that? If you mean me typing "fucking nonsense" then I'm sorry but it is. That isn't an insult or a sweeping generalisation.

No it wasn't because Mowbray could have either bought or loaned different players or simply not got rid of Mulgrew/Raya. Such a case of bias if ever there was one. Tony Mowbray got pelters on this board for not addressing the defence which, at the time of writing, seemed fair enough. When Miller11 posted that the lack of defensive acquisitions extends far beyond Mowbray, and perhaps shown a link between Venkys ownership and lack of investment in the back 4, it was ignored...indeed, one post suggested that if so Mowbray is complicit and, as a direct quote, "the book always stops with the manager. End of". Fast forward and Mowbray cites Williams and co as adequate cover for the defense. He then gets even more pelters on here - which, at the time of writing, seemed fair enough. Fast forward again and 4 clean sheets and a couple of good performances from Williams and it is less to Mowbray's credit and more "by default". Absolutely fucking nonsense and most of you know it but you are desperately keeping hold of the argument he has done no right over the past 12 months. Like it or not Mowbray picks the team and when he gets it wrong you are all the first ones to jump on him; gets it right and its a stroke of luck. Give over.

I don't feel like we are a mediocre team at all. We've been labelled a team to watch this season. I'm sorry you feel mediocre Sparks Rover but the same can't be said for every single fan. Luckily.

Na not buying it. You spend more or less every day either perpetuating a fault of Mowbray's or downplaying anything good he has brought the club. You can't have it both ways. He sold the goalkeeper + loaned out our captain and what he has replaced it with has, so far, shown to be far better. That is to his credit. "Addressing it by default" is addressing it. He made the changes, nobody else, unless you are trying to claim somebody else is behind the team and its selection?

Last season we drew and lost vs Boro. This season we won. I'd say that's going forward. One game is not evidence we are going backwards or forwards. The proof will be in the pudding and right now we are on track to deliver what's promised despite the pedantic nature of the above posts.

A "shocking" start ? 3 losses followed by 3 wins. 2 of them losses having come against Fulham and Baggies, teams you would expect to give us a game and both of them away ties. You really are the king of dramatising.

I think we've had a decent start to the season. Looked good defensively, so if we can get our forwards ticking we should be in for a good year. I'd say we are roundabout where I expected us to be at the end of the run of games we had. The next few games are ones I'd expect us to do well in.

I'd say 99.99% of us were fuming there wasn't a centre back signed. In fact, we barely had any link past Bauer and that was infuriating. Since then Mowbray has played Williams and Lenihan and got 4 clean sheets from them. If you criticise the man for not signing a centre half or addressing the defence you then have to credit him if what he has done has seemingly worked. You can't have it both ways.

Lewis Holtby was once hailed as the next European wonderkid if I remember correctly. What happened to him?

>Club comes in with interest for player >Manager runs the deal past the player, as is right >Player seemingly turns it down, looks set to stay, manager has praise for work ethic and hunger said player has shown >"This manager has lost the plot" ........"You couldn't make it up!"

The poster has a history of considering his own knowledge and opinion of football to be far superior than others'. I'm very glad he enjoys the Champions League but for others the tournament has far more sinister connotations than the displays of great football.

The next run of games are important. Matches I'd expect to be picking up points by. As stated earlier in the season at the mid-October stage we'll have a round about idea of where our season is going.

Let that happen. It will be the best thing for the domestic game. The global fan base - Africa and Asian continents - can follow the global superstars on TV as much as they like. Bring the domestic game back to 3pm Saturdays, the cup competitions will mean more and league competition be fairer. Unfortunately I have little faith in the EFL/FA to pay enough attention to the clubs outside of the Super League zone to make something like this work in our favour. They'll more than likely be scrambling for funds to be handed down in "compensation" for losing the prestigious (rich) clubs. Whilst it will be sad to lose the likes of Liverpool and United from the domestic sport sometimes it's necessary to cut an arm off for the rest of the body to survive. Though in the world we live it will probably create a situation where every single club is spending huge amounts of money to qualify for the European super league and the Prem becomes the Championship mk 2.

The only positive of that season was when we filled it out vs Oxford and I was thousands of feet in the air the time, wondering what was going on. It showed that we can get the numbers back. Not full week in week out but the interest, if there is something on offer except bland mid-table football, is still there. Other than that I felt as if every game we had more to lose than the opposition. It was unnerving. Of course it was nice to win each week but it was the lowest point of Venkys ownership and boy have their been some lows.

Good. How Derby get away with it is beyond me. They've been splashing for years now and I believe they have employed another equally creative tactic in the Rooney transfer. I was told as he has come in as a player/coach his wages aren't included in the players, or at least only part are. Don't know how much truth is in it as I haven't checked. https://www.consultancy.uk/news/22303/gap-widens-between-have-and-have-nots-of-english-football A very interesting read into the state of footballs finances. Meanwhile UEFA continue to push their "big 5" European agenda, using the study by Deloitte to state that other European leagues are not "pulling their weight" in increasing revenue. It's almost as if they are blind, or selectively blind, to the fact that the reason they can't is because these leagues are choking the game. Not long now until studies like this are used as an argument to separate "successful" clubs into a UEFA full-season "Champions League" and we can be left alone with our sport.

I haven't done the poll but what were the other options for Kean? There's a big difference between hate and "like" Of the 27% of people who didn't "HATE" Kean what were their pollings? Just curious is all.

Any sort of coverage about Rovers will get a watch from me. If you want to talk about how the current season is going, or our potential to get into the Premier League, or our foray into League 1 then unfortunately all roads lead to the owners. It's synonymous with any talk of current affairs. I respect what you are doing though. I can see why you don't want to go back digging through old dirt but ultimately there's a bitterness amongst the Rovers die hard towards the Venkys, irregardless of the talk of them "keeping the lights on". They have gutted the club and their early years caused many Rovers fans to fall out, some forever. I'd like to hear from the 46% who could forgive them and what it would take for that to happen. To be quite frank they could put a billion into the club, put a proper board in place, get Guardiola in and I still wouldn't. I'd enjoy the success just as I sat through the failure but make no mistake that I won't ever forgive them for making me traipse to Wimbledon on a freezing Tuesday night. In hindsight Wimbledon was a bad example after what happened to them. The point remains though - they took us down to that level and they have shown no remorse except a "the owners remain committed.........................to bastardising this club"

Raya is a good goalkeeper and will only get better. We dropped a bollock letting him go but Walton is a better goalie currently...problem is he isn't ours.

I'll happily give my views, on camera or not, about what I think about the club, the football league, agents and the state of modern football. What I won't do is talk about how life has been at Rovers since they came here in any other way than what it is. They've shown no remorse for any of the early years and certainly haven't even began to pay us back for what they have done to the club and the town. At the end of the day there has been far greater collateral damage than our league position. I don't think it is to anyones surprise that the few pubs left standing around the ground closed down in the Venkys years - those pubs relied heavily on match day foot fall, for which the Indians have done severe damage to. Ultimately it will be impossible to talk about the current affairs of Rovers without discussing the two fat and one malnourished elephants in the room.

And so it begins...

Bunch of wankers As for Kean the man has no soul Print the above, you won’t go far wrong

Be careful, most of us only get one

Neil Harris on facing West Brom: https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/millwall-boss-harris-admits-stern-test-awaits-at-west-bromwich-albion/ Neil Harris on facing Fulham: https://www.newsatden.co.uk/72793-millwalls-harris-fulham-best-in-league-but-weve-sold-out-allocation-and-will-enjoy-it Yep, do what Harris is doing and don't big up other teams.......................... ?

I couldn't give a damn if he played 1 game or 1000. Walton looks a better goalkeeper than Raya so, in my eyes, it has been an upgrade. Time will tell if we can sign someone similar permanently, as a goalkeeper like Walton must be eyeing the Prem soon.

I don't see what the issue is personally. Everybody is in agreement that Chapman isn't performing well enough and Mowbray agrees. He is honest in his approach and if a 21 year old lad can't take that level of criticism then he is in for a tough time in this sport. The level of criticism Mowbray has levelled at other players like Magloire in the past has been over the top. I also agree that he's too quick to criticise the youngsters than he is senior players, a la Evans and Smallwood. However what he has said about Chapman is justified and fair. A total non-issue.