But you see mash for me mid table mediocrity is not an objective. We are in a league that is full of dross you don’t have to be fantastic to get out of it and our squad is equal to if not better than others. Unfortunately the manager is worse than a lot of others. So to prevent a like who question bowyer McNeil has a start. Look a wba rubbish until they get a proper manager. Boro are failing because they have a inexperienced manager. It goes on managers get you out of this league. Consistency gets you out of this league. What doesn’t is not having a clue who the team is from one week to the next or the formation your going to play or has a player your position in the team or the fact has a player your not going to be in your favoured position. If it wasn’t Rovers and another club or a business I’d be laughing but it is and it stinks

I really don’t know what it is your watching. Today he has our center foward on the right wing Gallagher our right winger on the left wing champman. Holtby not in the squad a natural replacement for Dack.( apologising if he’s injured) Buckley a cm has a winger. It’s a joke it’s not even clever or inventive it’s just nonsense. Managers in normal jobs would get sacked for sending a plumber to rewire your house etc but you advocate keeping because there no one better give me a break. This rant is not at you personally.

That was absolutely appalling. 2 plus years in and we look totally disjointed. Who do we get in anybody. Hold on what about me or you because we could do that. Its utter shit and the players have no clue what their doing. My wife who is not a football genius said both goals where down to the same thing and she’s right. So if fantasy land is the place you want to occupy where Mowbray is irreplaceable. Hughes hughton pelligrini pulis allardyce plus numerous others and before you say they wouldn’t come I don’t care he is a bang average manager and needs replacing

Just disjointed and disorganised made Huddersfield look good.

Or we win every single game from now till the end of the season and are promoted. Are return to the premiership is glorious and at this point next year we are 10 points clear of both city and Liverpool. The clubs international standing has appreciated so much that a company who is so mega rich their value is incalculable takes over us and immediately appoints the greatest manager the world has ever seen We immediately Jettison are ageing players and accept spunking money is no longer an issue Then i waken up from the dream and at the same time you waken up from the nightmare

Sorry Tomphil I was not nor would I ever be critical of your opinion. You are making a long term strategic appreciation of the situation where to be honest I’m really just pissed by the shit I’m watching. So my observation was aimed at Mowbray not your analysis. Yes he does has strengths that could be better focused but for me away from the first team but that’s just my opinion.

Before I get italic responses. I know we are not on a losing streak it was a reference to previous conversations not about current results

This conversation about promoting “tony Mowbray he’s a football football genius” has been had during previous long losing streaks. Your suggestion of Dof fell under the peter principal namely “percussive sublimation” or commonly known has kicked upstairs because they are crap in their current job find a new higher job that has less responsibility and organisational damage without actually firing them. Im not anti this

I believe in this league managers change games. It’s not where you ought to be it’s where you believe you should be. Now that is the managers job. Mowbray?

I would accept being a good team in a great league or a minnow punching above its weight. He just talks rubbish and even that I could accept but we are .................... ( not swear words but just repetitious)

So returning to what this message board is criticised for has being hysterical. I watched Souness 2000 rovers play in this division with pace with aggression with purpose. No matter what side off the equation your on sack or stay the two are incomparable. You can mark this team out of a game without trying. Poor movement and passing interchange. No running off the ball or from deep. Teams are a reflection of their manager and his philosophy. The players are happy because it appears non competitive “everyone gets a game” Bells crap but a few weeks out of the supporters view then they can be slipped back in. Bennett back now for a run. Change the team keep um happy not my team the dressing rooms. We’re on a winning run. I hope I’m wrong because I love rovers but it’s transitional to the prelude of the losing streak. So I’ll go now with my view. The line below sums him up. Mowbrays latest the team are “emotionally scared by dacks injury” . We will never be promoted or top six has long has this fella is in charge. Not hard enough to lead but emotional enough to ignore players if you object to his ideas or question him. He’s a if I like you sort of manager rather than let’s get this job done even though I can’t stand you. The average timespan for a football manager is 3 years and regardless that clocks ticking. PS Has a disclaimer I have never been in the teams dressing room I have never had any experience of Mowbray management skills To conclude his idea of football is just dead shite

You can throw this around has much has you want but it in the end this paragraph sums it up.There is always only one winner. Winners never talk about why they where second. That’s what losers do. Full stop

I think you’ll find rovers winning three or four nil and cruising is the dictionary definition of a good game of football

I’m not sure if this was from Hugh Mcllvaney. The value of experience is directly proportional to the intelligence that’s exposed to it. Send a cabbage round the world it won’t come back an expert in geography it will come back has a cabbge.

These are basic requirements refs in black baggie outfits who wave play on regardless players who go down under a “ heavy challenge “ get straight back up retaliate but only get a warning has the ref views it within the context of the game. kicking the winger early doors to let them know your there A maverick every team has to have one. Not part of any team structures do what they want but are exciting and people pay to watch them. Names that spring to mind. Tony currie, Rodney Marsh,George best,Stan Bowles,frank worthington. To understand the requirements of this game every team and ref has to watch the 1970 fa cup final replay Chelsea v Leeds.

That would be a dream and a league Fans would flock to. Old fashioned football played by men not afraid to get stuck in. If only

What is so disappointing is that with a bit of proper management this league is so poor we could get out of it.

Rather than the waffle of family and dreams which is him explaining his ethos. If your his boss you’d nod understandingly and then ask him. So what are you going to do about about results because the last 40+ games are relegation form. That’s what we need to know because if they don’t improve you’ll have the opportunity to play plenty of football in the garden with the kids. By the way improvement starts Saturday. Shut the door on your way out

It all comes down to a complete lack of organisation and discipline. This are the required attributes when put under pressure. It’s the need to intuitively no your role and that of each of the men around you and the discipline for each individual to stick to the plan regardless of opposition pressure. Examples england rugby v New Zealand, dalglish Hughes and alardyce rovers teams. Ferguson most of his teams. This come from the management and nowhere else. Mowbray I feel does not give any clear direction or leadership and then blames individuals for the failure to complete the task. Which has a general principle of management is poor in itself. There are countless examples of teams being greater than the sum of there parts due to organisation and discipline. We are I feel are a working example of how not to manage. finally has an aside before someone comes forward and says league one promotion. Mowbray by his own admission handed over organisation and discipline to the senior professionals. Isn’t it strange that the absence of Conway Mulgrew and the sidelining of Graham has left just Bennett coveting every position on the field and I suspect the dressing room. While Mowbray rejects responsibility for failure and blames it on the younger players. In my opinion and for the reasons above change is required and inevitable

On the general question if he doesn’t feel he has a decision to make now he’s going to have because 32 points from 31 games is appalling by any standard and it’s not getting better. On his specific statement unless he doesn’t know this games aren’t won at half time. Winning at any moment during the game other than at the end . Nil points

Exactly and put very concisely

I never get the unattractive proposition idea. It falls in the same category has how much bigger all championships clubs are than us. That mediocrity is an accomplishment. Don’t change because it could get worse. The loss of positive mental attitude is one of the things I do hold Mowbray responsible for. Survival not success. Stability not improvement. If for no other reason than every manager has a shelf life and at that point you either change the players( the Alex Ferguson method) or the standard method you change the manager. We reached-that point with Mowbray a while ago. Therefore do nothing and we will has a club go backwards it’s inevitable. Are we an attractive proposition for an ambitious manager definitely.Money has been spent, we have a first class youth set up and better than average facilities. No job is perfect but I honestly do believe Rovers are a not bad option. Will we get lots of applicants certainly. Will they be better than Mowbray. Yes if for no other reason than he is at the end

It is and you are 100% correct. It needed nipping in the bud in February

But remember we’re not here to win but just be proud that we’ve been competitive. PNE big team better than us we have to accept were we are. Also Mowbray isn’t going to change it

This is not a surprise. End of last season went on a bad run and here we are again. Strangely Mowbray has form for this in previous jobs. Oh yeah and not being able to organise a defence he had form for that.