" What happens if another club comes in and approaches Mowbray to go and join them " - And then you woke up.

And then did nothing back at Southampton. I can't believe there weren't better options out there.

How long have we been blaming " individual errors " ? For way too long in my opinion. As I said the other day he's had long enough to construct a defence that isn't capable of schoolboy errors on a regular basis. I knew not to turn my back on a long clearing kick out of defence before I was a 15 year old school boy. It's like when you're playing rugby, never let a high kick bounce. They are the rules you learn as a kid. When you're playing centre half, don't get drawn to the ball all the time. Hold your position and stay goal side of the opposition strikers. A well organised team will have all the squad singing off the same hymn sheet. Irrespective of injuries etc the way of playing stays the same.

Let's hope there's some fans left as well. When you get to the point were nothing you can do as fans collectively influences what's going on, or more to the point not going on, at board level you start thinking why bother.

What he usually says is "let's bring in some players to help the guys we've already got ". He never says " I'm signing " X " to replace " Y ".

Me too. There was a lad in our youth league called Chris Cattlin, he played left back but he was nothing really special at the time. There was another lad who was twice the left back he was who never really got the break. Cattlin's dad was a Football League referee at the time and got him on at Huddersfield Town. He had a good career and later got a big money move to Coventry. He turned out to be a decent player but would that have happened if his dad hadn't have got him a leg up ?

Yeah it's not often the whole defence has a really bad day at the office.

Loads of stuff previously, but the porn star stuff wasn't from him.

Me too, he wasn't flying 18 months ago but having said that he was out on the wing most of the time.

Yeah it was totally out of order. I knew Chaddy wouldn't have posted that right away. A guy who posts on here from time to time managed to alter one of my posts to totally change the meaning of what I intended to say. You've got to be a complete tosser to do stuff like that. It's the only time I've complained to the Mods about another member of any of the forums I'm on.

I think that'd be a fair valuation these days. He's not the finished article yet but he's worth that sort of money.

That photo will be going in to a coaching manual illustrating how not to defend. We're all over the place. Nos 7 and 11 plus their guy on the centre circle are on the move. Our guys nearest the ball are flat footed.

I've been saying this for years, collectively and individually we don't sense danger until it hits us on the chin. It's been going on for too long

Yeah, we're un-playable, especially when we're up against 10 men.

Joao had ability when he was here, it was just that he just played when he felt like it. Reading seem to have him motivated.

If I'd have said that to my boss I would have been on a journey, to the Job Centre !

There was some top class finishing on display last night. Armstrong's first goal especially was something else. When it's a instinctive finish there's nobody better, when he has time to think about it he's not as clinical. If he carries on in the same vein I would expected a team that is struggling to score in the Prem to coming knocking.

The first goal was tragic. A long nowhere ball that shouldn't have troubled the " Dog & Duck " 2nd team yet an experienced full back turns his back on the ball, the keeper comes a mile out of his goal for no apparent reason, and it's a gift my mum could have scored. I will say this for Reading, they had players up to take advantage of the cock up very quickly. If that had have been Rovers we would have still been ambling down the pitch at that point. I thought JRC was going over to buy a pie for the third goal. Talk about being sent the wrong way. We were lacking in pace in our half of the pitch through out the game. What's the point of playing with two defensive midfield players if they can't prevent a free shot from the edge of the area. Joa took the fourth goal with a top class finish.

Weren't they after Gallagher when we signed him the second time ?

He should have been history years ago. He's got no idea of how to get out of this division. You don't need to be a mini Liverpool, you need to be well organised with a coherent, settled way of playing. It doesn't need to be too sophisticated at this level, everybody in the squad needs to know exactly what's required of them and be able to fulfil that role. Under Mowbray we've never looked like a team were every element of the team is fit for purpose. And that's when we were playing well. How long has Readings manager been in the job ? Yet he's already constructed a team that will be there or there abouts at the end of the season. Just tired of this " Ground Hog Day " of a club where no matter how many changes we make nothing actually changes.

I stopped listening to anything he has to say about a year ago.

He'll still be here this time next year. He's on easy street.

When was the last Rovers team that wasn't easily bullied ? Too many nice lads and not enough blokes who don't take a backward step.

Ground Hog Day. Taxi for Tony.

I was thinking that. It's hardly stopped raining all day here in Rochdale and we're not that far away.