Mattyblue

Yep, no human would write ‘belongs-on’

£120 for something blatantly ‘designed’ on ChatGPT.

TMS certainly didn’t think England would win at a canter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/articles/cgqlqlw4gx3o

The Coalition themselves obviously have no issue with different perspectives, as Speedie is showing, so folk can carry on using this thread to discuss ideas (and yes, sometimes have a difference of opinion) until the actual mods say otherwise.

Exactly right. So knock it on the head and actually *read* what I’m writing, Rev for Christs sake.

No goal posts movement. I still don’t see the need for an ‘official’ boycott, but it’s happening so I’m supporting it. I still think the Sheff Wed game would be better, but Watford it is, so I’m supporting it. You know, doing what is needed for the cause, despite my own misgivings, and yet you hound me across the thread.

End of the day the only ‘on the record’ statement the regime even makes is in a quarterly FF and as you say they have said bugger all to the various releases from the Coalition, so I wouldn’t be worrying unduly about that lot.

Not sure about that. They’d certainly use the player angle, I imagine McLoughlin et al will be thrown in front of a camera again to mouth some platitudes, but seriously doubt they’ll try and paint the remainers as Venky supporters.

Pretty sure that’s been my point from the beginning, I.e there’s different camps of match going fans and if providing different ideas is ‘beating them with a stick’ you obviously have a very low tolerance for differing views. But do carry on.

If trying to explain the motivations of differing types of fans in a thread (a thread on a message board, not the Coalition’s executive committee) that is asking fans to make a choice is ‘hand wringing’ (it was ‘carping’ yesterday) then so be it. Speedie and ergo the Coalition get it, i.e other things will be tried too in this campaign, so I’m glad I’ve raised despite you trying to shout me down.

Good post, Speedie. Glad to hear that from the Coalition there’s an acknowledgement that protest does take different forms and different methods are planned to attract different folk. As there’s some very black and white posting on this thread for something that really isn’t easy.

What I’m trying to say is that there is a another group (out of 4) that is nuanced. 1) So there’s the folk that will do the boycott. 2)The ‘back the lads’ crew fundamentally aren’t interested in any of this, don’t as long as there are those lads in blue and white running about. 3) The Venkyclappers that still believe they are benevolent owners and we’d be dead without them (some cross over between 2 and 3). 4) This is the group I’m talking about. They fully agree that the owners have been an unmitigated disaster, no Venkyclapping to be seen, they do think about the club more than just once a fortnight, they care deeply - but boycotting just doesn’t enter the conversation. They are a match going fan and they’ll go to the match as it’s what they do, what they’ve always done as despite everything ‘your club’s your club’ and you get behind the team. For me, we need to keep group (4 onside.

Can only think it’s tied in with that Business Club thing they do with local firms, as yes, who the bloody hell else is shelling our 35 quid in early January and rushing round from work to attend that!

Only time you’d be happy to get a ban from the ground for asking a question they don’t like.

A first team game and that’s probably the best we can do if we want to rest some key players. It’s negligence from an unserious set up.

Because a lot of remaining match going fans fundamentally don’t think that’s what you do as a supporter. Crap owners but it’s their cross to bear. We may struggle with that, it’s one game, think of the big picture and all that. But not going to a game when they are a season ticket holder, when they think the team needs support, wouldn’t cross their mind for a second and are bemused by the whole thing. (and before you jump in Rev. This isn’t me ‘carping’, this isn’t me saying it isn’t the right thing to do, this isn’t me not supporting the Coalition. As it’s a thread to discuss it I’m just explaining the mindset of all those that sit around me that will be there. So let’s stop worrying about them and just try and work with what we’ve got.).

Let’s hope so, personally I’d just see them using it as an excuse to further cut costs and mothball/sell off the infrastructure we have left. A Wigan-esque lower league club. We’ll find out either way as BRFC will end up in League 1 sooner rather than later and ST sales will continue to decline.

Just my opinion, I think it’s a step they’ll back away from. Time will tell, I suppose. By the way, you are falling in to that trap of thinking these are normal owners. You’re not going to get them out by losing a couple more thousand ST holders either, as losing twelve thousand of them under their watch has shown. Boycott or no boycott we’ll be considerably down on ST holders next season and they will still be here .

Right, all agreed then, people that attend aren’t complicit, but Rovers fans, just like us, who happen to see things differently. I’d be surprised if the Coalition went there with season tickets.

Why would I be offended. But I take it you agree that those who will attend are not complicit with the owners?

Speedie Gonna Get Ya (member of Coalition) said ‘If you are content with the current ownership and the way the club is being run then attend’, that is complicity re-worded.

Yes, it makes perfect sense. Not sure why you are finding this so difficult. But once again: The Coalition needs support, there’s nobody else that’s going to front it and campaigns take many steps, so I’m happy to do my bit… but I think they should have chosen a different game and I don’t like language like ‘complicit’ aimed at anybody that doesn’t take part. Guess what, life and the decisions you make aren’t always easy, aren’t always black and white.

Well, no, you don’t have skin in the game for this particular protest as it’s an ask of people who do go, to not, as you already don’t you are a bystander, sorry. This is a place to exchange views. Unfortunately for you the thread hasn’t been locked after one post of ‘great idea, just get behind the Coalition FFS’. I’m going to do what’s being asked of me on the 24th and I’m a paid up member of one of the Coalition groups, so if I and others want to post an opinion (‘carping’ in your world) on a message board on what could be done differently, what might have been more effective, we will… and others are free to disagree, like Speedie further up, but at least they are doing it respectfully.

Pretty sure today is the first time I’ve even mentioned Suhail et al as being ‘the winner’, and that was after Herbie did, go after somebody else for once (you know, people that, unlike me, aren’t actually doing what’s being asked of them on the 24th) as being lectured to by somebody that doesn’t even go in the first place and ergo has no decision to make is getting tiresome.

So like I was saying the Coalition are struggling with the mindset of a lot of match goers. There are plenty in that ground that have no truck with the owners whatsoever, but they would not countenance not supporting the team. You can debate the rights and wrongs of that as a viewpoint, but that’s the reality, and saying ‘well, it means the attendees are all content with the owners and the regime’ is just another way of using loaded terms like ‘complicit’ and it isn’t helpful (well, it is to Suhail et al).