I don't think a renaissance but if a Wilder had had the backing Mowbray has had the club wouldn't find itself in the position it is now . The late bowyer era we were heading and headed into a transfer embargo so they couldn't have spent in that time? When they turn off the taps it coincides with the end off the ffp cycle

It was only 2 weeks ago that 15 million of that money was brought in. In the last 4 years we have sold Raya and Armstrong plus a few others for a few hundred grand each. How many players have we brought in in that time? Look at our wage bill compared to turnover? Clubs with similar income are not carrying the wage bill we are? If we spend this summer does that put us in an embargo next summer? I just can't get my head round why the owners would have signed off on a multitude of player signatures, agree to pay a significant transfer fees for Gallagher and Brererton and then are not bothered about potentially losing Brererton on a free? I am no fan of the owners but in terms of finance they have backed the current manager with competitive funds no doubt about that. Teams like Luton and Preston could only dream of having the same sort of money spent on their squad yet they finish ahead of us? The owners are a problem the biggest problem but the club has been terribly managed on and off the field under Mowbray and Waggotts watch. The contract situation is worrying but we can't put a blank piece of paper in front of the players and tell them to write down a number and we just agree to it . According to Waggott Lenihen and Brererton are close to new deals.Rothwell and Nyambe may want to leave due to footballing reasons, both in and out of the team under Mowbray and Nyambe in particular been thrown under the bus a few times by the manager. I would love new owners but I think it's more realistic them to strike lucky with a decent managerial appointment than them selling the club

Mowbrays record in the market on more experienced has been poor for us in my opinion.I have no confidence the money will be spent well if it goes on experienced players.The players we are likely to be able to attract with the wages we can pay will still want decent enough money and 2 or 3 year deals to sign, we might get one good year out of them if we are lucky but then be stuck paying them for nothing when nobody will take them on on anywhere near the money we are paying them. It's also a question off FFP,if we spend this summer again does that put us in a threat of going into an embargo next summer?What manager would come here If we are? We have to accept the reality we are in and I agree wholeheartedly through the owners behaviour the majority of our fan base no longer go on and crowds have dropped below 10 thousand.Sponsorship down,on the telly two or three times a season.We are bringing In hardly any money and clubs with similar intake of income have no way near the wage bill we have With the resources we have every penny counts we ain't going up with Mowbray and with some of the other sides in this division I'm confident loan signings will be enough to keep us up,let a new man do the long term buys Like I said before I do think we will bring in a striker for a couple of million on deadline day but Mowbray will just play him as a wide striker anyway

The managers contract situation isn't irrelevant, he has one season left and I will be extremely surprised if he is here next season.Letting him bring in permanent signings that a new manager may not want would be equally as short termism as using the loan market difference being a prospective new manager won't have the problem of trying to find loan signings new homes.Saying all that I do think we will sign a new striker before deadline who will end up competing with Gallagher and Brererton for a wide striker role whilst the lad from Leeds will be put in Dolan's position You have a point with the Armstrong sale and the money brought in but we would have been budgeting the last 3 or 4 years forecasting we would have brought in more than 20 odd million In player sales In that time.The Armstrong money covers Brereton and Gallagher and 1 or 2 others but I do believe in general it's underestimated on here how costly the free transfer signings we have made in that time have been

How much do you think the budget should be? IL save my criticism of how much we spend or haven't spent until after the window. One thing I have to say I find odd is (,not talking about you specifically), why people are wanting Mowbray being allowed to spend more money on permanent signings when he is out of contract next season?And the same people want him gone?I could understand if they felt Mowbray was the man to take us to the next level but he clearly isn't. The Venkys certainly have to take some of the blame no doubt, it is under their watch and they allow these things to happen but this summer's budget is being dictated by the mistakes of the past few seasons were we have pissed away Money willy nilly on a raft of poor signings, giving long term deals to the wrong people and never selling players at the right time.All things that can be placed at Mowbrays and Waggotts door. FFP is playing a part in this aswell, they are getting harsher with some of the rules now and enforcing punishments. Not many clubs are making cash signings and yeah some teams moved early in the market and secured free transfer but for me only a few were any good and teams like Luton for example who have been quite active don't have the wage bill we have, have recently come up majority of their players were on league one wages they will have much more wiggle room than us as will most clubs. Teams with similar gates to us will have no way near as high a wage bill as us.Yeah we lost a load of players but that money needed to be reduced from our ridiculous wage bill. Every time Venkys have turned the taps off in the period we have been in the championship it is when the ffp cycle is coming to an end and we are either pushing the limit or over the limit.Even when Coyle was in charge we were not long out of a transfer embargo

Leeds seemed to do alright out of loaning Ben White from Brighton. Never even heard of this centre half before today but Brighton paid a transfer fee to sign him, he played 28 games at senior level in the Dutch league last season so he may not be too bad. I understand people being angry at the signings we are making when they are nothing but short term options but for me this summer I think it is the way to go.I don't want Mowbray here anymore and don't want him being given the funds to bring people in on 2 or 3 year deals that a new manager might not fancy. Enough bodies will see us stay up ,there are more than 3 teams/squads worse than us and many managers not up to it too

Last season Douglas and Trybull were brought in as experienced loans.They were useless Elliot and Harwood Bellis were good. We would all like experience, but any experienced Good player we would have to pay the majority of their wage

He played 28 games in Holland last season Plus they paid 2.5 million to sign him

I think we will get one more in this week and then they will wait till deadline day and see if clubs will drop demands at the last minute.At least another 3 will come in, another busy deadline day like last season

We will bring more than one more loan In

Mercer at most Poveda will be on 20k a week and in my opinion he won't even be on that much, Max we will be paying toward his wage is 50% and even then I don't think we will paying that for him.I don't think any possibility what we are paying for him will be in line with our top earners .

Kaminski has another year after this one so wouldn't say he is as big a priority as Brererton who we paid such a big fee for

Although I agree it isn't good practice we ain't the only club to have done this.Plenty of clubs sound out and speak with other managers whilst they still have a manager in place.

They ain't giving him to us out of the goodness of their hearts, he is here to get minutes, increase his experience and value like orta said.What was the alternative for them?Leave him in their under 23s. We will not be paying the majority of his wages. Two weeks ago it was your understanding that Armstrong was sold for 12 leading to 15 which is incorrect also

Echo what Tomphil said .He hasn't done much in terms of numbers since he has been here and can only really be described as a regular in his time here.We got him on. Free transfer and he is likely to leave here the same way

Agreed that the contract situation is very worrying.But we do not know what these players want to renew. We need players in we are very short on numbers and personally I don't want Mowbray being given the money to bring in a handful on permanent as if a new manager is appointed next season he may not fancy them and will leave us with even more dead weight to try get rid of, and as seen in the past it's easier said than done, we end up paying up their contracts. If the loan signings help keep us in this division then they will be worth it.Our young players will get opportunities but the people who believe more than 4 or 5 of our under 23s will be ready to play this season then that are being overly positive

He signed for them when they where a championship club, has not extended his contract in that time.I just don't believe we will be paying the majority of his wages. Orta from Leeds said the move is about gametime and they wouldn't have had many takers if they expected the majority of his wages paying. Besides weren't you saying earlier in the summer we have hardly any money and can't spend and now you are saying we have brought in a Leeds under 23 and had to make him one of the best if not the best paid player at the club to make it happen?

He is only on 11k a week at Leeds?I doubt very much we will be paying 100% of his salary.So he won't be our highest earner I look forward to finding out who this Liverpool player is🙂

Have the people at the club that you know given any indication if a striker will be signed or not?

He wouldn't start Chapman anyway.Oddest contract renewal ever, I have no idea why Chapman signed it.Great cameo against Forest and Mowbray only gives him 12 minutes against West Brom

I'm not going to get into a big debate with you again over this.But one simple question is there many clubs making permanent cash signings this summer in the Championship? Even the free transfers, probably a hand full I would have been happy with us signing. One of the reasons we are in this position, is throughout the Venky reign,we have handed out lucrative contracts and paid transfer fees for players who were either sub standard or ageing with only a year left capable of playing at this level but we hand them 2 year contracts with a years extension. I am satisfied with loan signings unless money is spent on someone who is either a young player with potential and ready to play now or someone no older than 28 who is not injury prone. Most of us want the manager out so would be beyond stupid to want the owners to allow Mowbray to hand out more 2 year deals to 30 somethings who a new manager probably will want rid of

Totally agree what you say about the owners apart from the just covering losses part ,they have given competitive funds since Mowbray here and when we first came down agreed to spend silly money stupidly. But Mowbray has had a very big hand in the situation we find ourselves in.He will have meetings etc with the finance people and would have known were we stood. It was on his recommendation that lucrative and long term deals were given to the "men" in the dressing room only for 5 minute later the likes of Mulgrew on way out and we had to pay him for nothing for 2 years.Plus the decision to spend 12 million quid on two young players was on his recommendation. You keep making out we should feel sorry for Mowbray that we can't do anything in the market when it is his mistakes that put us in this position

Yeah the underlying issue is who they put in place to run the club, have never disputed that. My argument here is the people on the ground are the ones who got us into an embargo.Mowbray would have known the situation, there is absolutely no doubt about that.

How are the owners at fault for the embargo that restricted us? They employ people to deal with that sort of thing.The.people on the ground Waggott and Cheston etc are the ones at fault for that. Are you trying to say that Mowbray had no idea what was coming?I don't believe that for one minute.Waggot , Cheston, Mowbray and the rest working on the ground would know what was likely to happen. Mowbray says different things to the media every time he is interviewed.Just before Armstrong was sold he said in an interview that a little bit of money would be spent on a permanent signing. The owners are shit, they do put money in though that can't be disputed.They Pay the majority of the wage bill and have given money for signings every season that Mowbray has been here. The biggest problem with our owners is who they leave in charge to run the club .Most owners do not get involved with the day to day running of their clubs they put competent people in place