I agree with everything you say but they are talking about another defender being signed on loan presumably a left footed for when we do switch to 3 at the back. I think Carter is more than capable I just worry that if he is kept on he won't get enough minutes and will stifle his development. For me he has shown that he is capable but with the manager pressing ahead with bringing in loan defenders then it just doesn't instill me with confidence that Mowbray feels the same

What you or I or Joe or whoever would do is pretty much irrelevant though.Its what Mowbray will do that matters and I'm not sure he would give Carter the minutes he perhaps would deserve at this time. Ayala and Lenihen will 100% be ahead of him, when Wharton comes back then him aswell .Mowbray will probably pick Costello at full back when he is fit.The Brighton lad won't be guaranteed a starting position

Teams ain't spending money at this level on permanent deals so I don't think we would get very much for Nyambe in this current window, we may even get more for him in the long run if it goes to tribunal were it's standard for 20% sell on to be awarded as part of the deal. If we could get upwards of 2 million for Rothwell I would look at it but don't think we would get that much but who knows people might start to panic as we approach deadline

Nothing wrong with it like I said I would keep him but will Mowbray give him the minutes to aid his development that I am unsure about and I think he would be better served playing every week if that is the case. Suppose it could be looked at again in January if he isn't getting enough minutes

Talk of another defender coming in on loan and if like you say that we will be playing 3 at the back at times this season then surely the club will look to bring in a centre half/left back as we don't have a left footed option when we switch to a 3. I would keep Carter, he looks more than capable but don't think it will do anything for his development playing a hand full of minutes

I would keep Carter myself but I can also see the benefits of Carter playing every single week if he was to go on loan. This guy from Brighton will be back up, we won't be guaranteeing him a starting place. Ayala and Lenihen will be Mowbrays preferred 2 and when Wharton Is fit that could put Carter as potentially fourth choice centre back and possibly third choice at right back when Costello Is fit as Tm likes to play him at full back even though I don't agree with that

In hindsight Brewster turned out to be a poor signing but at the time he was signed he was a coveted player and Liverpool insisted a buy back Clause was put into his contract. They made a profit on Ramsdale who was another big buy. Wilders second season in the prem was a disaster but injuries to key players played it's part particularly O'Connell who was probably their most important player with the way they play . Terrible second season but what Wilder did at Sheffield United on the whole was exceptional and that shouldn't be forgotten about, prior to taking the Sheffield United he had done well

We will get money for Nyambe regardless if he runs his deal down as it will go to tribunal. What will we get for Rothwell?I'd say it wouldn't be very much so probably best keeping for the season unless we were to get decent money

I don't think a renaissance but if a Wilder had had the backing Mowbray has had the club wouldn't find itself in the position it is now . The late bowyer era we were heading and headed into a transfer embargo so they couldn't have spent in that time? When they turn off the taps it coincides with the end off the ffp cycle

It was only 2 weeks ago that 15 million of that money was brought in. In the last 4 years we have sold Raya and Armstrong plus a few others for a few hundred grand each. How many players have we brought in in that time? Look at our wage bill compared to turnover? Clubs with similar income are not carrying the wage bill we are? If we spend this summer does that put us in an embargo next summer? I just can't get my head round why the owners would have signed off on a multitude of player signatures, agree to pay a significant transfer fees for Gallagher and Brererton and then are not bothered about potentially losing Brererton on a free? I am no fan of the owners but in terms of finance they have backed the current manager with competitive funds no doubt about that. Teams like Luton and Preston could only dream of having the same sort of money spent on their squad yet they finish ahead of us? The owners are a problem the biggest problem but the club has been terribly managed on and off the field under Mowbray and Waggotts watch. The contract situation is worrying but we can't put a blank piece of paper in front of the players and tell them to write down a number and we just agree to it . According to Waggott Lenihen and Brererton are close to new deals.Rothwell and Nyambe may want to leave due to footballing reasons, both in and out of the team under Mowbray and Nyambe in particular been thrown under the bus a few times by the manager. I would love new owners but I think it's more realistic them to strike lucky with a decent managerial appointment than them selling the club

Mowbrays record in the market on more experienced has been poor for us in my opinion.I have no confidence the money will be spent well if it goes on experienced players.The players we are likely to be able to attract with the wages we can pay will still want decent enough money and 2 or 3 year deals to sign, we might get one good year out of them if we are lucky but then be stuck paying them for nothing when nobody will take them on on anywhere near the money we are paying them. It's also a question off FFP,if we spend this summer again does that put us in a threat of going into an embargo next summer?What manager would come here If we are? We have to accept the reality we are in and I agree wholeheartedly through the owners behaviour the majority of our fan base no longer go on and crowds have dropped below 10 thousand.Sponsorship down,on the telly two or three times a season.We are bringing In hardly any money and clubs with similar intake of income have no way near the wage bill we have With the resources we have every penny counts we ain't going up with Mowbray and with some of the other sides in this division I'm confident loan signings will be enough to keep us up,let a new man do the long term buys Like I said before I do think we will bring in a striker for a couple of million on deadline day but Mowbray will just play him as a wide striker anyway

The managers contract situation isn't irrelevant, he has one season left and I will be extremely surprised if he is here next season.Letting him bring in permanent signings that a new manager may not want would be equally as short termism as using the loan market difference being a prospective new manager won't have the problem of trying to find loan signings new homes.Saying all that I do think we will sign a new striker before deadline who will end up competing with Gallagher and Brererton for a wide striker role whilst the lad from Leeds will be put in Dolan's position You have a point with the Armstrong sale and the money brought in but we would have been budgeting the last 3 or 4 years forecasting we would have brought in more than 20 odd million In player sales In that time.The Armstrong money covers Brereton and Gallagher and 1 or 2 others but I do believe in general it's underestimated on here how costly the free transfer signings we have made in that time have been

How much do you think the budget should be? IL save my criticism of how much we spend or haven't spent until after the window. One thing I have to say I find odd is (,not talking about you specifically), why people are wanting Mowbray being allowed to spend more money on permanent signings when he is out of contract next season?And the same people want him gone?I could understand if they felt Mowbray was the man to take us to the next level but he clearly isn't. The Venkys certainly have to take some of the blame no doubt, it is under their watch and they allow these things to happen but this summer's budget is being dictated by the mistakes of the past few seasons were we have pissed away Money willy nilly on a raft of poor signings, giving long term deals to the wrong people and never selling players at the right time.All things that can be placed at Mowbrays and Waggotts door. FFP is playing a part in this aswell, they are getting harsher with some of the rules now and enforcing punishments. Not many clubs are making cash signings and yeah some teams moved early in the market and secured free transfer but for me only a few were any good and teams like Luton for example who have been quite active don't have the wage bill we have, have recently come up majority of their players were on league one wages they will have much more wiggle room than us as will most clubs. Teams with similar gates to us will have no way near as high a wage bill as us.Yeah we lost a load of players but that money needed to be reduced from our ridiculous wage bill. Every time Venkys have turned the taps off in the period we have been in the championship it is when the ffp cycle is coming to an end and we are either pushing the limit or over the limit.Even when Coyle was in charge we were not long out of a transfer embargo

Leeds seemed to do alright out of loaning Ben White from Brighton. Never even heard of this centre half before today but Brighton paid a transfer fee to sign him, he played 28 games at senior level in the Dutch league last season so he may not be too bad. I understand people being angry at the signings we are making when they are nothing but short term options but for me this summer I think it is the way to go.I don't want Mowbray here anymore and don't want him being given the funds to bring people in on 2 or 3 year deals that a new manager might not fancy. Enough bodies will see us stay up ,there are more than 3 teams/squads worse than us and many managers not up to it too

Last season Douglas and Trybull were brought in as experienced loans.They were useless Elliot and Harwood Bellis were good. We would all like experience, but any experienced Good player we would have to pay the majority of their wage

He played 28 games in Holland last season Plus they paid 2.5 million to sign him

I think we will get one more in this week and then they will wait till deadline day and see if clubs will drop demands at the last minute.At least another 3 will come in, another busy deadline day like last season

We will bring more than one more loan In

Mercer at most Poveda will be on 20k a week and in my opinion he won't even be on that much, Max we will be paying toward his wage is 50% and even then I don't think we will paying that for him.I don't think any possibility what we are paying for him will be in line with our top earners .

Kaminski has another year after this one so wouldn't say he is as big a priority as Brererton who we paid such a big fee for

Although I agree it isn't good practice we ain't the only club to have done this.Plenty of clubs sound out and speak with other managers whilst they still have a manager in place.

They ain't giving him to us out of the goodness of their hearts, he is here to get minutes, increase his experience and value like orta said.What was the alternative for them?Leave him in their under 23s. We will not be paying the majority of his wages. Two weeks ago it was your understanding that Armstrong was sold for 12 leading to 15 which is incorrect also

Echo what Tomphil said .He hasn't done much in terms of numbers since he has been here and can only really be described as a regular in his time here.We got him on. Free transfer and he is likely to leave here the same way

Agreed that the contract situation is very worrying.But we do not know what these players want to renew. We need players in we are very short on numbers and personally I don't want Mowbray being given the money to bring in a handful on permanent as if a new manager is appointed next season he may not fancy them and will leave us with even more dead weight to try get rid of, and as seen in the past it's easier said than done, we end up paying up their contracts. If the loan signings help keep us in this division then they will be worth it.Our young players will get opportunities but the people who believe more than 4 or 5 of our under 23s will be ready to play this season then that are being overly positive