Not ours. Will be 2 days before Rovers season starts - if it arrives tomorrow.

The bit you are possibly missing is the scars that many of us carry through this period of Venkys misrule. To hear people posting “chin up everyone and look to the positives” is just a bit patronising and more than a little Keanesque. Some of us are waiting to see what actually happens rather than trusting only the talk. As it stands, we’ve added reinforcements to a good L1 squad. If we bring in a couple of million pound plus (not big money by today’s standards) players - which is what Mowbray himself has implies (“seven figure deals”) then it would suggest improvements on existing players (not ex-loanee replacements). I’d be very happy with that. Where you might say I’m a ‘doommonger’ is that I don’t believe it will happen. The reason it gets frustrating is that if (when) it doesn’t happen there will be a number of posters telling us that it is either a good thing or that anyone thinking we were ever going to (“easy to say in hindsight”). And we’ve had years of this stuff! Here’s hoping for (but not expecting) a great end to the window and my lack of faith being proven wrong!! (Btw, it’s the same here, it’s not personal either)

Fans who have been following the club 40+ years and spent thousands upon thousands of pound following the club the love saying let’s wait and see what actually happens rather than buy the rhetoric = doommonger Mowbray been here just over a season working for Venkys (who have let us down time and time again) = complete trust Meh.

Proof is in the pudding. If we spend over a million (“seven figure deals”) on more than one player I’ll be amazed. Meanwhile the season starts in 3 days and our squad isn’t ready and supporters don’t even have season ticket cards! It all feels very disorganised.

Mowbray?

Is that a trialist? Sounds like an anagram name!

Maybe West Brom said no instead of just bending over... I look forward to the days when Rovers once again get to choose their club ‘partners’ rather than putting up with whichever fly by night company deems us worthy of carrying their crappy logo. Right now we are one of the top 23 clubs in the country, 6 places below Spurs.

We had one last year matey

£15 v £10 is £345 v £230 over a season. What’s next, £18 (£414)? Or will they make it £399 next time? There must be a limit for a club like ours. Just to be clear we are talking cheapest seats, btw. Perversely, in England, tickets are likely to only become cheaper in the top flight when they can be subsided. How counterintuitive is that?! Obviously, in that scenario I’d bet on Waggott putting prices up for Rovers fans. And fans to chime “can’t expect to watch Liverpool and United for less than £25” and “walk ons need to be £40 to avoid upsetting ST holders.

It’s shit. Thats what’s on ram’s bottom right? (I’ll get my coat)

I think it’s the yellow one at the bottom rather than the blue one at the top.

Fair enough. A very subtle difference but the point is the same. Clubs charge what fans will (and therefore ‘ask’ to) pay so we are our own worst enemy. If the additional money made us so tiny then why pass on that burden to the individual? But why would anyone need to pay more if STs work out at £10 per game? And we’d almost certainly double out paltry 8k. Making more money over all and filling the ground far more. It’s hard to see the argument for increases when current ST sales are so poor.

You said you don’t think it’s reasonable to charge less that £15/match. That means £345 a ST is your minimum price. Rovers have been charging £249 in the past, hence the comparison. Under Waggott’s watch, it won’t be long before the cheapest ST is over £400. Then things will really start to bite. I’d prefer he didn’t take us to that point but unfortunately some fans seem to back him up. Make the tickets cheap enough and then market them and target them in such a way as to sell more. I’m not saying it is easy but that is the job. Squeezing Moreno out of loyal fans and not even trying to increase numbers is lazy and dangerous. Last season, 8 clubs had season tickets below £300 including all threee of the promoted clubs. (Fulham’s was £254).

And yet there are some high profile players that they let go who did make it. De Bruyne being the most obvious one. They just hoover up young talent and loan them out. Chelsea are a big part of what is wrong with football in this country. Yet the southern media turn a blind eye to it preferring to point the finger at clubs like Rovers who ‘bought the league’. If ever a club bought football it’s Chelsea.

Fan kits are always better than corporate efforts. Fan designers tend to be more passionate about their kit. Maybe they need to get more fans involved. Weve had some really bad kits during Venkys time here.

European Super League will come first. Just look at the International Champions Cup...

Your first three paragraphs are bang on but tbh it really doesn’t matter. You just need to get them in the door.The revenue is what clubs are looking for. Fair weather fans prop up 80% of PL sides so there’s no shame in it. Ewood used to be the place to go and with the right manager that footfall becomes a huge support. Of course relegation (and to a lesser extent alienation) will mean a loss of attendees. West Ham would be hugely unlikely to get 52,000 in the Championship but, I’ll tell you what, they would walk that division if they did. The atmosphere alone would give them a major home advantage. You say it’s not reasonable for Rovers to charge £249 for some season tickets. Well we will have to make do with 7000-8000 and have us just make up the difference in price each year as that drops. Just a shame we won’t be able to make up the difference in atmosphere that a full ground brings.

You must have been desperate to throw that one in as it has nothing to do with my post.

With “some level of commitment” Warnock would have probably had us promoted instead of relegated.

Signings are only one option, especially with a price increase. Williams did the opposite. Reduced the price of tickets and got bums on seats. Played the longer game of making money through the league position. Granted it works better in the PL but for what we actually make out of that 17% hike, one, we’d have probably made the same by increasing footfall and, two, for what Venkys are already putting in to cover losses it adds very little in the overall scheme of things. Add to that 13-14,000 potential ST holders (cheap tickets after the feelgood of promotion) and a couple of thousand walk-ons (at reasonable prices) and we could have been looking a 20k+ gates at a bouncing Ewood. As it stands we are going to be lucky to get to 12k all in when we aren’t playing a Leeds or a PNE with a massive following. Waggott has opted for the worst and laziest option, fishing in the barrel. But thanks to 8,000 or so hardy fans he has just made 17% additional revenue so who cares right? Wouldn’t surprise me if Waggott is a trained accountant. An entrepreneur he is not.

No, we’ve loaned one. Let’s see how he gets on when he kicks a ball for us. A bit early to start saying he’s better than Corry Evans.

He should try to grow revenue by growing the fan base not biting the hand that feeds. The feel good factor at the end of last season - when season tickets should have been on sale - has pretty much evaporated. Add in the price hike and lack of imaginative transfer dealings (and setting of false expectations) and it’s been a Summer of missed opportunities on the ticket selling front. The strategy has pretty much been ‘let’s see if we can squeeze a bit more out of them’. And they did. Waggott can, and I suspect will, declare it a success to Venkys.

Right on cue.

So all that fuss and build up this afternoon and the “big announcement” is a loan signing that Sky Sports announced last Saturday? Brilliant. Doesn’t bode well that they have built this one up as much as they have. On the plus side, it’s a full season loan so at least we can plan. Let’s hope he’s as good as the hype.

So a player that we know all about, with definite ability, and who fits in with the squad, is available “cheap” - which by our standards is 50p-and-a-curly-wurly territory - and we didn’t jump at it? He’d better have someone bloody good lined up, cos a 5 month loan of a PL youngster doesn’t really stand up.