Very possible there is still an agency running this gaff for Vs via Waggot and Mowbray with the usual man in the middle. It would explain quite a few things like the old boys club, Boro connections and the untouchable yet never taking responsibility of a few of them.

If i had to put my last quid on it i'd probably plump for things staying as they are and the messiah and co getting new deals. And a very underwhelming follow up to this lively season.

They certainly didn't on Saturday, what they put in was the towel.

It was odd that it took relegation to league 1 to provoke them into any kind of action it seemed like a penny had finally dropped. Been stuck in the slot again ever since though. Not defending their lack of action but it might not be far from the realms of reality that they were totally sold on Mowbrays 'journey' plan. Since then they've let him get on with it and provided within reason most things hes asked for and taken his advice on spending/not spending. Then he's run us to the wire with FFP again and the pandemic on top of it has let us where we are now. Ironically all that has left us with a better team but it's clear despite the injuries etc it's being miss used again in recent months. Biggest summer since Lambert left now approaching and god only knows which way it will go.

No reason at all he can't start with Dack and Brereton on Saturday now. So what if one can't do more than 1 half or even if there is a need to take one off before. We are after the top 6 ffs not trying to nurse players so they can toddle off somewhere else in summer. He really could be the difference and surely trying to hang on in the second half is preferable to trying to get back into it.

If we had nothing to play for in a dead rubber we'd go down there and stroll to a 2nil routine win. If his back was against the wall and people suspected he'd be sacked he'd have them revved up front foot and start Dack regardless of his rehab talk. We'd win 3 on the bounce. As it is i expect same old listless approach to the first half and something in the line up that we already know won't work. 1-1 get the deck chairs out.

Saturday was a bad day at the office for both team and fans there was noticeable nerves from the off. There was not the usual buzz around the place and all that can only be down to the recent form. Games like that the crowd usually get into it in the second half kicking towards the Blackburn End but it never materialized. All afternoon they seemed determined to gift Blackpool a goal and once that went it then Dacks was ruled out it summed up the day. Wouldn't worry about away fans comments tbh although coming here you'd expect a team in our position to have fans behind them. However you'd also expect the home team to be going for it not standing there or wandering around looking like they've all only just met. What Blackpool fans witnessed on Saturday was a team who didn't believe and fans who've lost faith after a slump of epic proportions. They were class clearly they are celebrating a good season of consolidation and being back at this level and nobody would begrudge them that. Never seen anything like that from them before though, at Ewood or Bloomfield, so i think one or two on that thread are getting ahead of themselves.

We have to take into account we loan in kids and many with no experience so it's always going to be swings and roundabouts. Not often we'll get one that doesn't put a foot wrong all season or doesn't have one weak spot or another. It just goes with the turf but overall i won't knock Mowbray or whoever is responsible for the loans. He's done well imo on that score although the usual questions remain about how he uses a lot of them.

For the past few weeks they've all been talking the talk but not walking the walk, manager AND players so lets not forget them in all this. Quite a few need to seriously look at themselves after Saturday but we probably all knew this might happen with so many off in summer. Not doing themselves any favours though if they are wanting good moves but clearly minds are now on the beach and looking to not risk injury.

Go back a few months to when we were 2nd and Nixon and the usual crew were starting the drive to get him a new contract via the usual newspaper drivel. All over social media fans (well some of them actually are, not sure about a lot tho) are screaming give him 3-5 years etc etc. Then the annual death spiral and it all goes quiet and they all literally disappear, so what is the next move ? Yep get something out of forums that he has something lined up and he might even be taking our best players with him. Long standing posters should know by now that where this started on here should be taken with a pinch of salt. Iv'e always though there are suspect motives at play there.

Well Robins is good at taking over from Mowbray and improving things so he'd be a great shout. The right sort of age and a Lancashire lad.

If WBA want promotion they'd be better off sticking with a guy who has a proven record for it within the last decade. Maybe it's Boro who fancy going over old ground again ?

Boing boing 😉

Buckley for 10 million has been floated about for 2 years but he won't be turned into that here.

We want to put the club back in the Premier league that remains the ultimate goal. Except for when it becomes a real possibility and we'll ignore it then leave a guy with midtable stamped in his DNA in charge forever.

Yet he was talking about feeling more easy starting Dack next season after a full pre season.

He always seems to drag Dolan off, nice kid doesn't rock the boat off you come son for another of my baffling experiments. Never seen a manager over complicate things so much just like yesterday with 5 min plus injury time to go. They are treating it like a practice session passing it sideways and backwards across the back in their own half and he just stands there.

They've sold sponsorship of that stand in the past so maybe that's the problem or of course the chances of them shutting it first chance they get and letting it rust away. They really should be doing something though whilst he might still be able to acknowledge it in his own way.

That group of players need a leader that is what was missing yesterday and there certainly wasn't one on the sidelines. He really is an oddball manager because the shambles he sent out v Derby he spent the entire first half bawling at certain players. Johnson in particular so it's no wonder there was some sort of bust up at half time there. Yet yesterday he seemed reluctant to have a go at anyone despite the fact they really needed it. Then when balls are going astray and no urgency whatsoever with 5 mins to go he's stood there clapping a player who puts an aimless punt into touch. Afterwards he's saying i won't criticize my players and i can't explain to the fans why we were so bad !!! The guy is unreal he comes across like he's lost them and is trying to get them back onside. Only Dolan and Gallagher looked up for it in that fist half yesterday before they too disappeared. The normally reliable Wharton and Van Hecke looked disinterested and half arsed. The rest of them wanted no responsibility and if ever there should have been a bollocking it was half time yesterday.

TM likes to be surrounded by yes men and young players that fits into all his methods and why he puts so much stock into recruiting guys he knows already. Big characters seem to terrify him and when he has them he basically lets them run the dressing room and team. Mulgrew, Smallwood etc until they cross him then they get the boot. A stubborn old goat who'd rather see things fall away just to try and prove he was right, every frigging season we have this 1 in 10, 2 in 15, 4 in 17 stuff. Yet kids in the BBE and middle aged sooperfans still try and flog this great manager line but he is anything but. Competent for a midtable slog yes, good no way, whenever things go off kilter in the slightest he hasn't got the first clue what to do. His answer has always been rotate people around, throw players on for the sake of it and sign utility and back up men before anybody suited for a specific role. If you split him in two like a stick of rock he'd have midtable written through the middle.

It certainly wasn't his fault in the Derby match as he tried but he couldn't play that role who the hell would expect him to... Now think about the performances since then aside from that second half, are the players sulking because of his treatment ? He always seem a popular member of the squad and one of the leaders.

It did for me as well having gone through it with my own dad i feel Natalie's pain. It was great seeing him loving being out there but at the same time it was worrying i kept thinking he was going to fall over. I think it had a bit of an effect on the crowd as well it was so quiet in the home stands. Of course the players didn't help that it just needed a tackle flying in or a few driving runs into the box to get the crowd into it. Instead they mostly stood around looking at each other, dithered on the ball and seemed determined to gift Blackpool a goal. Possession bollocks when we should have been counter attacking because Blackpool came to have a go. We didn't need to draw them out, tactics all wrong yet again.

I'm the same mate i'm more disillusioned today than even after the Fulham debacle because that was just one of those nights but they are a class side. Today was just dire i cannot fathom how a team in our position can turn in such a lazy uninspired effortless shit show. And how the manager can just shrug his shoulders and brush it off after standing there with his hands in his pockets for 80 or the 90+ mins. Non of them really wanted it today not one of them his blaze' dour attitude has finally rubbed off on this young usually energetic driven team. Embarrassing but who does he answer to ? No one and that's been the problem here for the past 3 seasons now, all too easy and too comfortable. I'd rather the guy had fecked off after Fulham and we'd spent the rest of the season with a new guy consolidating ready to have a go next season. It is beyond disappointing but entirely predictable.

By the way what's happened to Johnson since his Derby false 9 cameo ?

2 or 3 years more of this one.