Does sound a bit like carter has looked so far, as for Clarkson he clearly looks like he has no experience. We are the ones who have to now give it to him though possibly at the expense of one or two of our own at times. Funny how Mowbray would only bring in back up players to his favs when sigining players before. All of a sudden big club kid loaness can walk in the team in front of our own. A bit of virtue signalling going on here.

He said similar last season so it just again begs the question why sign him. Even bigger question WHY change if he's playing to his strengths and being immense ? Bloody tinkermen don't they just boil your piss it really is Mowbryas default position. He might actually be a good manager if he ironed it out but it's too late now. Same last season after a few good results he went back to implementing the possession crap which resulted in 2 wins in 17. Why can't he just tap into what he has now and for once build on a defensively resolute side. Strengthen it if possible but leave the basics alone instead of trying to be the Aldi version of Pep. There are no extra pats on the back for fighting a relegation battle with continental formations.

I agree on Nyambie being a miss in a game like that his physical presence is just what you need. Some are quick to point out when they feel we don't need him but over a season he'd be a big miss. I think he'll look even better this season because we are sitting back a bit a digging in. Would suit his abilities better than keep trying to make him into this flying wing back he really isn't and leaving gaping spaces. As well as wasting Gallagher defending in front of him instead of doing what he's capable of up top.

Fav drink - Sparkling water Fav band - Coldplay Fav managers - Not hard to fathom, hes tried to copy both in recent seasons. Yep, i think even Roy is a bit more on the edge than that.

With so many kids to fit in and obligations to other clubs to meet along with the more physical resolute style the rotating and tinkering will be off the scale. Not like we aren't used to it by now though.

Read an interview on a Teeside publication website earlier and i think it paints the exact pic most have of TM. Can fully understand why we are the way we are and he does what he does. Nice level headed guy he sounds for sure but bland isn't the word. Roy Cropper springs to mind.

Imagine a team loaning in 7 kids under 23 to use in it's first team then sneaking into the play offs. All after its owners and managers had wasted 100 odd million on mainly dross trying to get there.

You're the opposite of a Burnley fan.

Last few times iv'e been there was around 6/700, been countless times and the most i think iv'e seen there is 1400 ish. That was when Hughes was manager although i agree with what you are saying. Not the dearest but for a Northern team it's always at the higher end of the scale. They can get away with it up there though they know only hardy travellers will go. On the home front they had a good crowd in but as someone mentioned earlier the catchment area is there and they believe in their ownership.

800+ there on the day.

To be fair i reckon Mowbrays idea was to have the on loan flair kids on knowing they'd come at us and press from the off. Probably hoping to counter and get some good touches etc from them then bring the other 2 on to do the dirty work later on. Didn't really work they looked lost and i think most of us would've done it the other way around or something different anyway. Got through it in the end though similar to at Millwall so that's a nice new habit developing. When teams like those have thrown their sink at you and it hasn't worked then they've not much else to offer. It's not something we'll keep getting away with though we need to start being bang at it from the off.

Quite a decent following up there that today.

A point won this despite going a goal up from a pearler out the blue. Usual disjointed tactics that had everyone including our own players trying to figure out what was going on. No surprise though this is Mogga magic as they call it on Teeside, magic because somehow it earned a point. However whatever we lack in that dept they make up for in energy and commitment. It's been a long while since a Rovers side has battled and scraped like this for points in back to back games in succession. Give me that over possession rubbish and losing one nil with a pat on the managers back from oppo managers every week. Keep this up over a season and we'll be fine, a bit more of this in recent seasons and we might have got somewhere.

The flash kids get subbed by our own who had to make way for them in the first place. Real logic in that but got to keep the parent clubs happy ffs!

Tunnicliffe ? Always thought he was ok and offered something a bit different after a ropey start. Good old Gaz didn't really know what to do with him though.

There are people on this board been around long enough to know how it works in these parts. We know success on the pitch draws out the lapsed fans and part timers but we aren't on about that, quite clearly to those who aren't trying to paint their corner. We are on about holding on to what we've got and have had i.e the hardcore. It's 2021 not 1981 and we've had at least a 10k hardcore for the past decade plus a few k that come and go. Forget the Oxford match and think first game of the season at home, think 2 wins and a draw in first 3 games. Think fiesty young team with loads of home grown talent, think at home again to a team fancied to walk the division. Think 32-38 pounds, think Tony Mowbray and his white flag, now see under 10k home fans. There are your problems, even some hardcore fans will not pay that for this and if you can't see that you need to soak your nut in a bucket of ice for a bit. Anyway off to the smog, COYB !

I think you'll find there was no mention of average atts being 10/11 thousand, bit naughty there Howie. You'll also find there were plenty small gates in top flight at times back then. Basic principles still apply though now as then - decent product, decent feeling around the place, right price and you'll get more in. Rovers are lacking on all fronts at the min although there is green shoots with this team in terms of effort. Sadly the last few seasons have erased the feelgood factor that was never tapped into post promotion. If the prices between one home game and the next is keeping just 500 away it's wrong. How could it possibly be right, oh wait yes i forgot it's covered by getting an extra few quid out of a decent away contingent. Bonkers.

The comparisons with the early 80's are the good old strawman i'm afraid. The times are very different as is the economy in this country despite the hysterics that brings in the media. Top flight games were played in front of 10/11k sometimes back then and many bigger town and city clubs in the championship struggled for fans. You are right on the PL stuff in some cases but yet again that applies to most clubs of a similar ilk to us. What we are on about here is hardcore fans who've stuck around since the Prem days getting priced out or just fed up. It's a concern it needs addressing but constantly putting prices up won't do it, neither will going nowhere on the pitch either obviously. Iv'e said it a thousand times after doing some research Waggots mantra is squeeze what you have till it pops. Well it's popping now. His speciallity and skill set is downgrading, he's right on track with that. Asking fans to pay 7 quid more for the same seat in the space of a couple of week is quite frankly bollocks.

Managed decline It's almost taking on a spiteful tone.

Well we know where we won't be.

And season tickets still represent a good saving yet we lose this many again. Kind of says everything yet it'll be glossed over in the upper corridors and ignored by Pune. We can afford the losses say the ownership, we need money scream the CEO and manager. We'll never prosper realize those who know.

Therein lies the key. Buying Brereton and Gallagher totally blew the Brentford nonsense out of the water even if they'd hit the ground running. You'd be going some to try and turn a quick profit at those fees. They don't fit the long term development line either at those prices when the rest of the squad was screaming out for investment. Many mid table managers given those funds would've looked to build a side or strengthen their weak areas first. I don't care how they eventually work out they were daft signings at the time.

I thought you were on about the Boro away price. For me i think it's how it's pitched for home games it worked when Allardyce was here but that was Prem football. Right now although 20 quid would be cheap these days the supply still far outweighs the demand at Ewood. It's all about how it's percieved though, perception is a massive part of marketing but often gets overlooked. £20 to come a support a bright new young side stacked with academy graduates. The club in a new era taking a bold new direction with a real plan to re-ignite the club and push it forwards. or £25-£38 pounds to watch the same manager trying the same things with a bunch or raw kids and loans. Selling anything is a tough gig in Blackburn so it has to go hand in hand with belief and ambition more than anything. Me personally i'd just price it at 25-30 max in all but the premium central area in the JW upper. Leave it all alone then everyone knows where they stand and don't feel angry and ripped off when they hike it up just to fleece big away followings. That then leaves scope to do the odd cheap ticket offer and maybe one or two top end Cat A fixtures if needed. West Brom brought around 2.5k and the home sections were agaian under 10k with maybe a good few hundred of those complimentary and schools tickets and the like. I'm not having it for one minute there wouldn't have been another 1 or 2 thousand on had the Swansea prices been left alone. Again what they are doing is counter productive and just designed to squeeze those who can be bothered or can afford it. So it's perceived badly.

All that was missing from Waggot in that Brockall explanation interview was his flicking his tie like Oliver Hardy in a black and white comedy. I think that kind of sums him up and whatever he comes out with. He's just a salesman and wandering the corporate suits he's doing his selling job. On the plus side at least he is there it's not that long ago Rovers had no director representation really.

Didn't Mowbray remove himself from that responsibility not long ago ? I thought he'd passed the buck to his CEO in the LT on that score. Perhaps one doesn't know what the other is doing these days.