Plenty more and that's a fact.

For all we know Mowbray has told them he can cover the striker position with these young loans. For all we know someone else is telling them i can find you another young British 'investment' striker with your Armstrong money. It's likely many people are still blowing smoke up rear ends in the form of so called advice. Just depends on which if any they pick or if they go with a bit of both to keep everybody happy. I reckon it's fair to assume Mowbrsy & Waggot present their plan and get the wages budget for it. Then anything extra is on a whim but by no means guaranteed to anybody so anything could happen. That's how it's always been there's nowt different happening there'll be loads of activity in the void between here and India. Just a question of if the Pune farmhouse radar picks up on it or not. It would though be a bit daft if they just spend for the sake of it that's how you end up with the BBs and Gallaghers.

We haven't been a trading club for years like some of the others but for a little spell we were a buying club. AA, BB, SG all arrived in succession costing 15 million, that's quite ambitious for a mid table mid budget Championship cub. Bolting it on to what was here already and other signings stretching the wage budget to busting point again should have resulted in us being top 10 regulars. Now after selling Raya and Armstrong for somewhere in the region of 15-20 milllion combined. Dependent on what figures you believe and with a supposed new cycle of FFP on the horizon it's time to be a trading club again. A smart one, laying out several million per season in loan fees and wages just to aim to finish 15-12th isn't particularly smart imo. Somehow i think the ownership might just have been blagged again into thinking this will result in a stab at the top.

@RevidgeBlue Last paragraph is pretty damning of the situation and needs pinning on twitter and facebook. So many never look at the big picture as to how these things unfold and all the signs along the way are there. It's always forget yesterday tomorrow we'll be fine ! Well no because yesterday shapes today. I get what @JBizis saying in less extreme it's certainly less crazy and unpredictable than it was. Mowbray certainly steadied the waters and pointed the ship in the right direction. However he then seemed happy to sail it in circles around the same island pretending he was on some adventurous journey over unchartered waters. They needed a firm nudge in one direction or the other from the Admirals but they are too busy turning eggs in gold and having parties.

Bandwagon hoppers then, casuals, part timers call them what you want it amounts to the same thing. They can conjor quite a few thousand out of thin air whenever they start doing well. We all have them but they seem to have more than the average mid sized club.

Both sides engineered that one to suit their agenda after a clear falling out would be my take on it. Who struck the first blow ? Watch out for that bus.

Easy does it this time no need to rush anything we aren't going anywhere nor trying to.

Certainly wouldn't call boro a shit club or shit fans they're a passionate bunch. They have a hardcore a bit bigger than ours but they do seem to have more than average glory hunters for a club of that size. They are the one's with the attitude problem. I remember them spouting about bringing 6k+ to Ewood when Karanka relit their fire, the season before they brought 690 ! Mowbray was manager then by the way......

Badly advised though ! In 2010..........

Who says he'll be sat on the bench all season hes already been involved several times. There are worse places to be for someone like him than 3rd choice at a championship team. Third choice is just that, when one of the others are out you are in. If they stay out and you do ok you stay in that's the whole idea. Whilst the development line is correct he's still developing if he gets into the team here. Although raw he's already looked like he can manage ok. This is the whole ethos of developing your own especially when finances come into it. Borrowing and paying for someone else's to use as 3rd choice whilst probably guaranteeing them some games to swing the deal is totally counter productive when you already have your own. He might not pass a ball like a higher rated kid but if he can defend then he's better learning his trade at a higher level. If he doesn't manage he can be loaned out next season.

The game went a long time ago i'm afraid. No footballer outside of top flight or the elite should be on more than 5k basic per week.

We rarely take many up there these days which i find a bit odd but that's Rovers fans for you.

If they grabbed a million quid for each one in compen plus add ons it might not look as daft. To them, not us, if someone has sold them a plan of a conveyor belt of youth now being set up. The expense and commitment of new contracts then sitting there having to pay them with sod all income waiting for bids. The risk of injury etc versus grabbing a quick buck and it costing nothing that hasn't been already budgeted for ? Nothing would surprise me and you know when Mowbray has one marked for the exit door. It all starts months in advance little digs in the press, getting dropped or subbed when playing ok. Similar patter with Nyambie as to Raya just over a longer period. Now Rothwell is getting it and Chapman. Nothing to do with me guv, these can be good players but they aren't listening to me. It's not my fault it's nothing to do with me messing them around or playing them out of position. It's all on them i'm the messiah, look at Armstrong if you dare doubt me !

It's a toss up between those spending it and those setting it. One less kid put the wage towards something a bit more robust and keep another of our own in the squad. 2 kids costing 5k pwk + loan fees as opposed to somebody a bit more experienced costing a bigger contribution ? Sorry but these kind of things surely fall at the managers door otherwise the ownership or some part of it really is playing real life football manager. That, now we mention it would not surprise in the slightest by the way.

He'll just blame it on wage demands, even though they managed to get round that last season. Have to say though i'm on board with the youth policy now it's the way they've started to go so stick to it. I'm not on board with the paying for loans short term fix policy though, not to the tune or 5 or 6 players anyway. However the better ones in recent years have been young and although raw they make up for it in effort and energy. Iv'e seen enough Evans, Bennetts, Williamsons, Douglas's and all the rest to last a lifetime. The problem with Rovers over most of the championship time is never being able to keep up energetic performances. One feisty effort every 5 or 6 games is the norm but this present lot are managing it every game at the min. The key is for the manager to tap into that and let them do it not start trying to base everything on possession again. I'd like a bit of presence in the middle but it needs to be someone well under 30 with a set of legs and lungs !

Within reason, as in within an upper mid budget, Mowbray has got what hes asked for here. The whole time really, Wanted to stay after relegation - Was kept on. Wanted Waggot - Got him Wanted a Championship style budget - Got it. Wanted Dack & AA - Got them. Wanted to invest in young British players after promotion for a slow build - Got 15 mill over 2 summers. Wanted experience after moaning we lacked it - Got money allowed for various contracts and loans over a few seasons - Holtby, Downing, Johnson etc Wanted some with experience of promotion after bleating that was then missing - Got Trybull, Douglas etc. Wanted high end young loans after bemoaning that's the only way to afford quality - Got money for Reed, Tosin, Elliot, etc etc Changed to possession football after non of the above was working like he'd said it would, stating the Swansea model. That didn't work but he survived poss the worst non winning run in history. Now allowed to completely change tack yet again and is getting the 5 or 6 young loanees he required. Yes the ownership is what it is but enough of this playing them off against each other. He's had great backing in terms of enough to build something better and being left to get on with it. At the end of the day it's a combination of both but the main thing they are guilty of here is putting too much faith in these people. People who don't/won't deliver what they allegedly want/need. What would Mowbray do with the same budget as last season ? Naff all different and the Nyambie thing has been rumbling on years anyway. It was always going to come to a head eventually.

That's exactly what he's doing giving himself as many cheap options as possible. We thought a smaller squad shorn of his favs would mean a more sensible settled side and less messing. Reckon we can forget that, he's going to be in tinkerman heaven again.

Has he never scored a header then ?

He's done it before and as clumsy as he looks he's hardly Chris Brown.

So he can hoof or loan a few of them out presumably. Probably got a 2 for 1 deal with Brighton.

I have my issues with Mowbrays methods but he's hands down steadier than Coyle. It's just worrying he started sounding like him last season. If TM belongs in the mid ranges of the Championship or league one Owen firmly belongs in the bog end of Scottish football.

Agreed but it's just what they've always done but its rarely been used properly. Various incumbents get used to it being there and either pilfer as much as they can or just take it fir granted and waste it. Then when the taps get turned off there is all out panic and danger of implosion. Yes they employ these people but this set in particular came in when there was a proper reset going on. Since then they've continually told us about a journey, about building a football club and about squad value. Well now their own chickens are coming home to roost in many ways. I doubt its been perfect behind the scenes but this lot have had the best most calm backing and period in Venky history at Rovers. This season is now the sum total of their period in charge of the building. Lets see how they handle what some other clubs in this division have to operate with all the time. Personally i think we should be in better shape now than what we are regardless of the owners.

Like iv'e said far be it from me to defend this ownership but not sure how they are supposed to spend when we are at the brink of more FFP sanctions. Not saying they would anyway but not long ago they did a share conversion of about 20 million was it ? That was to see us through the covid losses presumably on top of everything else. At some point in the next 6/12 months they'll have to do another issue or 5 / 10 million it's fair to assume. The AA money will ease things a little but it's a drop in the ocean really and the manager looks set to blow some of that on short term loans of kids. Just to see us through this season in this club hes apparently been building for the last 4 seasons since the last reset. I just hope we get through this season unscathed and they provide a bit of backing for a proper rebuild next summer.

They'll just have been the easiest option and probably the highest bidder for the food franchise. Now they have to not only make their money back but try and turn a profit from whoever buys stuff. The sometimes high match prices and sub 10k home sections won't help that at all. So their prices have to be high and no doubt the staff levels have to be cheap. Vicious circle and not unique to Rovers i wouldn't have thought. Still lazy and typical of the football industry like everything else outsourcing and passing the buck. As the crowds get smaller you'd think it might actually open up opportunities for some things a bit more local and more in tune with the surroundings.

He must have the best job in the championship comparable to similar clubs. Whilst i agree the stick goes OTT at times so does people trying to give sob stories on his behalf. He's part of the issue he's running the team/squad and has had and retains within reason what appears to be 100% backing from the ownership. For all we know what is going on this season and summer is his plans. So yes whilst he certainly isn't the worst manager around he's also a very fortunate one to have owners like these. The man has surrounded himself with pals inside the club, hes carried players he personally likes on good contracts for years when they are contributing very little. He's never ever had the rug pulled from under him despite the club needing extra income. He's also had a top Cat academy producing players to pick from others in a similar position don't have. If he's suffering budget cuts now he's not alone due to the covid situ but part of it is also his own making. So if we are being fair lets have the full picture not just keep trying to say bad ownership. It's the same ownership hes been happy to work under for going on 5 years or whatever.