I think this little clique is going to be here a few years yet and i think this club will be lurking between 12th and 18th for the forseeable.

It was all being monitored and under review last time. We still ended up in it though.

Just doesn't really matter to Waggot, Mowbray and co they can do what they want within the budget. They'll still get their thousands per week whilst the club continue to shrink and the crowds with it. Zero ambition for anything other than covering each others backs and staying wages. Blame everything on covid and indirectly the owners, to the owners blame everything on covid and lack of fans. Sit there right in the middle shrugging their shoulders. Useless.

Lies damn lies and rely on statistics to keep the farce rumbling on. It's going to get very toxic very fast next season unless Midtable Magoo pulls his finger out.

Very much assume we are just in the loan market these days and they tend to get done late.

Yep but it would be the easy lazy option again. He's the type they now claim they are trying to move away from, he was another experiment last season that didn't work. So why waste 10k+ pwk and a several year deal on him ? If Bell had played the entire season instead of him would it have made much difference ? Probably not, that says it all. There must be better out there for those wages if not cheaper.

Thing is with him he spent a few seasons festering on our bench when he should have been out learning. Not Mowbrays fault but he threw him in and he did well in league 1 despite the odd cock up. Then a step up to the championship exposed his dithering a bit but he was still a young relatively inexperienced guy for a keeper. I thought we needed someone steadier i'll readily admit but i wanted that to be alongside Raya. The lad had no direct competition and was being coached bu a novice who'd never played at much level as far as i know. It was too soon to just throw in the towel and the irony we sold him for an initial modest fee to the club our gaffer claims he wants to emulate isn't lost on me. I know it's any stick to beat the manager time but this remains a legit one to me. It's easy to say it turned out well in the end but it wasn't done for those reasons. It was done because Mowbray threw him under the bus and he reacted. Simple as that really.

Didn't exactly work like that though if we are being honest as Mobray is on record saying he sold the goalie to buy Gallagher. Then of course we had to endure a season of Walton making similar cock ups to Raya without the cat like point saving saves. I agree with Kaminsky being a good keeper and probably better for us because we aren't as good as Brentford. Doesn't alter what went before though and how we eventually ended up with him. We have a steady championship stopper now but Raya who wasn't rated here is now going to be a Prem number 1 probably. Meanwhile our manager was busy lining up Steven Pears whilst the recruitment dept were bringing in Tommy K and the Greek lad.

A welcome cash injection for sure and David Raya who Mowbray chose to give up on and throw under the bus is now a Premier League keeper. Meanwhile Mowbray Magoo has us on course for a possible Championship stay out of the relegation zone dogfight. As for the Euro scouting set up being derailed by Brexit surely there'll be a way around it. Why go to so much trouble and expense when they knew that was on the cards the ball started rolling 5 years ago ! Then again is it actually anything more than having staff in England watching European games on tv ? Anyway a future potential profit on Kaminsky should cover it, ex Boro lad waiting in the wings.

Just think Wes Brown, Jack Rodwell, Stuart Downing... Never rule anything out here they are suckers for big names on big bucks who might manage 10 games per season. We can carry them till they find somewhere else or retire, or of course do their badges !

A lot will never grasp that but it's a drum iv'e been banging since day one. They bought something to play with that would also help promote their business into a European market. That more or less failed although they'll have had some benefit from the exposure and alliance. So plan B is find a handy way to use it on the books whilst keeping it going but not bankrupting themselves either. I don't think they take money back from it, they don't need to but theoretically they could. That makes a difference and also do they move money through it all above board ? Again theoretically it's a possibility, so it remains handy to have on the books as long as they can afford it. There is no lost money it's just vast numbers on a vast balance sheet. I don't think they've opened a family bank vault and poured 200 million into oblivion never to be seen again for one min. I'm amazed anyone would think that, they are not Jack Walker spending his life times gatherings. They are very much still a going concern. Although most of that 'concern' is left to Rovers fans !

Absolute nail on head, bingo, full house, the truth shall out. That is exactly the long and short of it and it seems various different ones have a play with it now and again. Mainly the large plonker though and say what you want about the 'bad advice' excuses. There is as much arrogance and ignorance from them as anything else. Humble my backside, actions speak far louder than words. Since they've been here there's been almost a constant set of V's flicked at the fans. They always know better, not because they do but because they can afford to pretend they do. Useless !

Isn't this type of thing just going along with this crazy time in the world in general. Just inventing things to push new narratives because they want to move away from the old ones ? Don't know how to though because basically you cant as it's still the same ! So a bit like re-writing history just to suit the attempted reset they just alter a few things because this era allows that. Then it quickly becomes fact and things couldn't exist as they are without it. Some think football was invented in 1992, future generations will think it was invented in 2021.

So playing deep is now the 'low block' , i wonder what they'll call two banks of 4 these days ? Globalization to blame for all this pointless shit and the need to put technical spin on shite games to try and pacify TV audiences. Managers over complicating things playing chess on the pitch resulting in teams cancelling each other out and an awful spectacle for fans. Hey tho, a points a point and it keeps people in jobs, nothing new or radical about it though it's just a game of football.

After playing 3rd or 4th fiddle behind the 12 million duo deployed wide forward and a few others Chappers probably turned his phone off. He was enjoying himself down there so who can blame him. He's probably desperate to stay there but if they can't afford him the Tony Mowbray Footballers Benevolent fund will step in again with a contract. ( Used to be called BRFC ) One wonders why he falls under that particular umbrella.

He puts them first he'll give them a wage if they can't get sorted elsewhere. It's sickening i said 2 years ago it's like he's running his own players care home and he's a welfare officer. I wish they'd get somebody running this place with a set of bollocks who genuinely wants to try and push it forwards.

When the manager says to them go out, go for it and express yourselves, in end of season dead rubbers. Then we hammer some teams you do wonder what the hell he was saying to them before that. The possession crap squeezes the life out of this team and players. Why didn't he abandon it after lockdown last season when we had a real chance at the play offs ? Then again i don't believe a word he says anymore so he was probably just trying to find a way to take credit.

And act as more of a smokescreen for the model of club this regime is set on taking us to. Gradis 1990's Crewe because that is all they are capable of. The Comfort Zone + model

That's the thing with stats one area looks good and covers several areas that don't. A bit like a huge corporation that has many businesses under it's wing. One area does really well, several don't but that one props it up. However the only thing that matters in football unlike business is the over all points and position. That's what clubs exist for, here though the agenda is being changed to suit those running it. It's increasingly becoming all about if they are happy and the players are happy and if the ownership can be blagged enough to be happy. Forget progress, forget the fans it's all about the little clique running it. Keeping them and their mates in wages. One set of figures that doesn't lie is crowds.

Again a lot of it plays right into their hands now. I'm not saying they don't want to win games or get as many people in a possible but to me they've waved a white flag now. They've sussed it out and know they aren't capable or driven enough to get a team in the upper end on their budget. They know that only that and low prices will get gates at Ewood up again. So we are firmly in option B where they know the team might struggle and crowds will be low. So make the best of that situation it's far less hassle without expectation and they all still get paid the same. I expect some price rises, tiny crowds and possibly more of the ground roped off. More staff laid off and more cost cutting with ready made excuse after excuse again. Emphasis on reduced income, reduced budget and press trotting out '150 million debt' line time after time. The debt that is only a debt when people seem to want it to be, otherwise it's 'investment' !!! We really might as well have Bob Saxton in charge - i'm sure these lot would have them training down Pleasy again if they could hide behind it.

It's obviously not nice enough for him to want to put his feet up and stay there, sadly.

I think this data stuff these lads produce is based on what Rovers are doing anyway, or along those lines. That's why it often seems to tally up with Mowbrays stuff although at times it does appear like it's done to back him up. In other words i think they are trying to impress him and the club rather than just promote his possession football as successful. It does though act as a beacon for some to hold up in support of the manager. Also a bit of coincidence they do stuff about finishing in midtable with a young team and reduced wage bill. As opposed to getting in some more experience on bigger wages and ending up finishing there anyway. Then hey presto that looks like the direction the club is now taking 😉 A tip off or two there maybe, sadly that scenario rests at the managers door no one else. His poor judgement and couldn't give one attitude plays the biggest part in a good strong squad floundering. Likewise that has now led us to potentially having to cut back and curtail. Evolution it most certainly isn't, no matter how many analysts jump all over it.

This has been a massive issue here all along even under previous Venky induced managers. Now we have one whose been here years and knows exactly how they work. That means they just sigh the cheques, say yay or nay to things via their messenger and will only analyze things once per year in mid summer. Otherwise there's nothing to worry about and if they did remove you it would be out of the blue without prior warning. So just shrug your shoulders and carry on basically doing what you want as long as you run it by the messenger. Even more convenient when you have your pal as a cushion as well. Only reason he isn't saying owt is he'll be on a long awaited break like most of them will. He also knows people are sick of hearing his babble so time to kick back for a few weeks and plan next years pitch to the fans.

He'll have a whole new narrative to spin next season his PR mob will be working on it right now. Fail with all the targets and tools he's asked for the last few years so strip them away. Remove the evidence and go with a bare bones slimmed down version with a target of bettering 15th place. The new journey has just begun and reducing the wage bill will be the new mantra. The wage bill and running costs he and his cronies had spent the last few years bloating again and wasting. Along with wasting the clubs best chances of kicking on in the last decade. Lapdogs will lap it up again, however there is always 12 million worth of elephants in the room to remind us !

Mark Venus would be the only one they had lined up.