I don't begrudge Mowbray his holidays and a total break from it all for a few weeks. The last 12 months will have been a slog for everybody in football so back to a proper summer break then real pre season should do everybody good. However we keep being told all the plans are in place and the wheels grinding with the recruitment dept. The recruitment dept that has no head of recruitment. So yeah a typical Rovers summer where many things will be being left to chance and just hoping for the best. As for Waggot i'm not even going to go there the guys snake oil job over the training ground has left me sick in regards to him.

I agree the counter attack game seems to suit this squad as does the higher tempo get in the faces stuff. To me that's how a young vibrant team should be used to get the best effect as it's making the most of the young energy levels. Difficult to play like that every game twice a week obviously but if it becomes drilled into them they'll get used to it. That's the way to get up this division imo as iv'e never known an average side turn into a total football side overnight and prosper. Just doesn't happen it tends to be teams with strong squads who've maybe come down a season or two before that get their act together and football their way back up. In truth though as you've pointed out being able to do different things is the best way but can lead to over complication in our case. I just think the core style should be higher tempo slightly more aggressive pressing game. Then if you have to go away to top teams or even at home against one and sit back a bit and keep the ball so be it. Odd teams aside i don't think the gap between 80% of the division is that big at all, that's why it's so competitive and unpredictable at times. Select the strongest side that gels and apply yourselves properly and anybody can beat anybody. That's the mentality we should have not this being happy playing keep ball and losing by the odd goal that's crept in as an excuse for possession football.

Both of them.

On the strength of his stint here guaranteeing him x amount of games from the beginning of the season shouldn't be a problem. That might swing it in Rovers favor but knowing this lot they'll just say we'll take you back if you don't get fixed up elsewhere son. Then wait all summer for him until he gets fixed up elsewhere. Same with Elliot probably.

No other clubs would've signed BB and SG when our lot did for the money we did on the contracts we did. Only us. I doubt any other manager, after getting them for such money, would then have set about pissing around with them like this one has. Tinpot.

It's a sham as usual they want to be embargo'd just like they did last time when they willingly walked into it. Opens up doors and excuses to sell players and crunch down the wage bill again whilst only getting in cheapo's. That's why Mowbray and his clan of league 1 ability stooges remain. They used Bowyer in much the same way in the end. Hopefully get through this season relatively unscathed then have a fresh start all around.

So in terms of doing anything other than staying in mid/lower mid table the possession game does nothing for us. It doesn't suit the squad the manager put together and it doesn't play to their strengths. He's chosen a one size fits all, try to to make it work approach and although some of the stats say it wasn't a disaster the league position and subsequent happy to go nowhere mentality says it was. God only knows what he'll come up with next but if he changes it again it's probably the right thing to do. Yet that also makes a fool of him and the crap he's trotted out the last 2 seasons. Shows it all up for the complete wasteful experiment its been. We so so need a change of direction here but we are stuck in a Mogga muddle.

Holiday camp to holiday resort.

He seems to have disappeared from public view yet again since the training ground shambles. Not answering the phone from the LT scribe.

But half our fans still expect all that according to our non results based manager and his groupies.

My thoughts exactly but we are in a position now where we need these luxury players just to finish 12-15th under this manager. Tosin the season before, Elliot and THB this season have done as much as anyone to help keep our heads above water. Not sure what it would look like without their ilk but we might well find out soon,

This experience will do him good although after the last year we've had and the knocks he's had maybe a rest would've been better. Whilst he's with them though perish the thought a manager might know what to do with him.

Whoever they are they'll just be rotated, chucked in and out, play second fiddle to favs. If they don't look good the plethora of excuses will begin, not used to our style ( why the F sign them then ), new enviroment, away from home, injured, not Chris Sutton or Alan Shearer. Never felt as meh towards a season for as long as i can remember.

That's more down to them not caring enough about the great mans wishes or having the desire to carry on his good work. Regardless, everything that has happened has happened on Venkys watch. They didn't get left owing million in hidden debt or transfer payments. They created something like a 10 million pound black hole in the first 6 months. In a previously -5 million per season loss making entity with 30 million guaranteed income. The buck starts and stops with them, the greedy disinterested uncaring Walkers are an afterthought by now.

The whole fact of it is THEY created this situation, not the Walkers not the fans. Some of these kids are prattling on like the Vs are some kind of saviors of Rovers protecting us from oblivion. I know they've only known this ownership but what is it with the young generation and not accepting historical Facts ? Has our history pre Dec 2010 now been cancelled just because it better suits the modern narrative for what they'd rather believe ? Strange lot.

Some interesting reading in the LEP today in regards to Hemmings funding. He's put in via share capital 13 million since last June to underwrite their running costs AND buy and refurbish their Euxton training ground. So the club that regularly out performs us and beats us costs less to run and they've paid off a manager. I know we have bigger running costs because of the Academy and our wage bill will dwarf theirs. Probably costing Rovers 2 million a year just for Mowbray, Venus and Waggot. Now can anyone honestly say that is money well spent ? Before you even start on the rest of the wage bill and the stuff that's still being paid for that's long gone. Relegation was supposed to be the big reset but these lot are still pissing venkys money up the wall. Criminally wasting what is on offer here then looking to cut back and shrink the club to cover their own failings. We are getting upper table backing and being run by league one'rs. Drain the swamp.

We could very well end up like that with them at the helm. I think that's the issues for a few, me included. I'd much rather go down the pan without them that with them.

When Boro phone Tony.

D Day... day was missing for some reason.

Again they'll be missing the facts that Venkys have taken us to the very brink of being a Bolton or Wigan. They keep us there and only their money stops a full on meltdown of those proportions. Very odd to be grateful for that scenario. If or when DDay finally does arrive it's odds on we'll be left worse than Bolton or Wigan.

But he's been trying to be modern using it and it's terms along with his own version of 2021 total football. If the guy managed to his limited strengths like he was a few years ago we wouldn't be top 6 but might look a bit better. What worries me is him just picking sides and systems based on stats he's being fed. I think that might explain some of the odd stuff he does. Then he ends up throwing it out the window on 65 mins and making multiple changes. He's an old school manager, dinosaur to some, he'd be better off managing the old school way and not trying to make wine out of water.

Half back of defensive quarter ? It is America.

Tax write off against this years mid year profits. Surely they could stick a bit more on top for a promotion driven manager !

Is he playing center half ?

But it's the future sadly. Not really these lads fault they are clearly very passionate about it and so it would seem is football in general. Look forward in the future to managers saying 'well the data said if we did this or that there'd be a 75% chance we'd win. The pitch/ref/weather have got in the way though'... Of course our mon is ahead of the curve on that.