What about the more recent share issue in the other vehicle that owns the training ground ? Looked quite like a sum you'd expect from a large property sale.

There'll be another Wharton instalment due after the new year i'd assume so that'll keep the lights on and maybe a smaller SS instalment as well.

Nothing if it's just in the form of a bank guarantee, The only person who said they had to match what they sent pound for pound was Waggot i believe so it's likely a lie. Much more likely they just had to provide a legal guarantee from their bank of matching funds which may well be against personal assets or money.

Was it read out last time ? Was he not forced to admit we were selling to survive ? If not why not.

Nah the Orange one is a master at his craft of bullshitting but Greg was just another of footballs numerous run of the mill lickspittles.

He even looked like him.

I don't blame him for the signings that fell through nor having to shop in the lowest rungs due to lack of backing. I do blame him for the horrendous back up signings he brought in to develop and talked up like they were the cream of the crop. I do blame him for implementing the policy of 30% youth players making up the squad as that along with other factors almost saw us relegated. End of the day he was badly let down by the owners but he was also out of his depth and rather Steve Kean like in the way he talked a good game but clearly didn't have much clue beyond youth level.

Its been robust enough to withstand the last near decade and a half on nonsense and nothingness and still have a hardcore of 12k, which would be more if the idiot in charge had gone down a competitive pricing strategy years ago that is more in keeping with the area economics.

Wouldn't be surprised if Waggot and the other guy have sold them this ideology now that we can keep going like this with minimal investment from them. We know Swag is a downgradering chief so the longer it goes on he can make sales then slash and burn accordingly which keeps him in pension funds and perks.

You almost get the impression Venkys ain't that bothered i wonder how hard their legal team are pushing this ? It's obviously not seen as very important by anybody and at this rate could go on forever.

It's been said the two things are separate and this just relates to them trying to get rid of the like for like penalty on sending money over. Allegedly the investigation into the main issues relating to the VH group is ongoing and we've never heard if they've got their properties back yet that were supposedly seized over there. Perhaps they were the 'bond' for money sent over last year.

What a superb piece that is even if it's pointing out the grim reality we already know. So good that an outsider can grasp the situation and feelings around here and convey in a way that other clubs fans might grasp. We are permanently on the road to nowhere with the odd bit of window dressing every few years followed by the inevitable pull it all to pieces again sideshow. And it's hard to think it isn't just a cycle for a club like us it's partly on purpose just to keep bumbling along whilst the owners ignore it and the two in office here just fill their pockets with easy money and all the ego and perks the job provides. I've always been in the 'we need a completely fresh start' camp even if it might be painful to begin with. Others are in the 'this is our level at least we aren't Bury' camp which i understand but don't agree with at all. Then there is the pro Venky group, very small and mostly exists of facebook for some reason, them i'll never understand nor want to be in dialogue with.

Then there are Bumley fans on facebook trying to pour scorn on it until it's pointed out they only took 200 more to WBA and not many more to Millwall. That's piss poor for such a massive outfit who were in the Prem about 8 of the last 10 seasons, didn't take long for their awayday boosting hangers on to disappear now they aren't storming this league. They truly are a breed apart from normality.

Great effort, i said we don't seem to be able to mix it up in terms of attack/defend/press etc but we did today and it was long overdue. Second half after 60 mins sit back subs nearly ruined it but thankfully the heads didn't drop today and attacking intent remained. Trav outstanding just shading the MOM from a couple of others but that really was his type of game. Pears this season has looked like a steady keeper who could be worth a million or so to someone when the next round of sales to pay bills begins, who have thunk that eh ........ 😉

We can't mix it up though now it seems we have to either go for it and stay on the front foot or sit deep defend and look to counter and pinch something or settle for the draw. As iv'e said before it's a bit like the Bowyer days but without Rhodes i think if he set out to draw every game we'd get a result against all the bang average or poor sides. We seem good at draws !

Must admit when he first arrived he didn't look like the player his former clubs fans were on about but now he certainly does. Lets face it we are back to the Harold Goulan days and we aren't even in an embargo that's why Eustace needs to find a way to get the best from Cantwell and Yuki as the cheapo bargain bucket wage savings probably allowed us to get 2 decent players in.

600 Stoke fans came by free travel the other night. Our lot wouldn't put one bus on anywhere.

It's the price we pay for people moaning about us playing shit and winning 1 nil 😑 Wouldn't mind a bit of that tomorrow.

I hope Gestede is paying for the extra striker coaching his man so obviously needs as he was quick enough to blow his own trumpet for bringing him in.

Once in 49 years, there's hope then !

The soft underbelly and fragile mentality that has plagued us for over a decade since this ownership got stuck into its deconstruction job remains to this day. You could put Chuck Norris in charge of this club and the team would still flounder until they all realise that IF you have ambition you have to scrap and scrape every min of every single game, not keep using ready made generic excuses , too many games in short time, travelling, shit ref etc etc This is probably the worst game we could have at this moment in time it's all set up to fail and just shrug the shoulders. Cardiff 3 Rovers 0

Have we ever won a game when kicking into the BBE first ? It never seems to have the desired effect.

That was a Sunday morning send the big lad from the back forward type header, stuff you see watching Chorley's league. Utter gash the lad has zero technique. Was happy to give him time because he can cause defenders problems but there's not much point putting the ball anywhere near him.

Yep great or even good lone strikers are rare to say the least especially at this level and in the days of no wingers and very little 'ger it forward quick' straight from the back.

Between them Waggot, the other guy and Rudy will be drawing about a million quid a year out of the club plus expenses. Nobody down there will ever bite the hand that feeds them they'd say the same if we had spent nothing and were bottom of the league.