Today illustrated just what an enormous gulf in influence, passion and commitment there is between the scottish and welsh captains. I know that a captain is only one member of a squad but maybe a pointer in the performance of the national teams has been highlighted at BRFC in the last month. Today Savage was everywhere and seems a giant on the pitch whereas the absolute best thing that I can say about Ferguson was that he was 'neat and tidy'. Forget squad politics and armbands Robbie Savage IS the captain of BRFC. Period. I wanted us to sign him when he left Leicester and said so on here only to be widely ridiculed by masses of Savage haters. I suggest that he is now making quite a few eat their words. Just a suggestion but should Prem safety be realised and should WBA be relegated I would welcome a move for Kanu.

She was on here enough for sure. My guess is that she has converted into a Rover. Come to think of it did'nt she beggar off just before Rover6 joined?

Sorry Glenn dunno how but I missed your earlier post. Anyway............ QUOTE (thenodrog @ Feb 9 2005, 15:26 ) This'll tick a few off but I was also in conversation with John Newsome and a couple of officials this morning and my mate also rang Tom Finn to complain about tickets being sold over the phone whilst people were queing half the night at Ewood! We were told (about 10.30am) that 'measures' had been taken to remedy that . So I guess that if it was hard to get through after 10.00 it might just have been down to our efforts........... sorry guys but I'd been up early without any brekky, taken half a day off work and it was not all that tropical I can assure you. Ticked Off ! I'm chuffin livid and I already have my tickets. Telephone was an advertised way of getting tickets, no mention was made in the run up to the game that people in the queue would be given preferential treatment, so why the hell should the view of a fan and a safety officer change the clubs policy without prior warning ? Why did you not ask them to bin all the post applications too ? After all, they are people just "too lazy" to queue too aren't they ? Maybe there is a clue in the word 'safety' Glenn. 1 person on the end of the phone could hardly cause a crowd 'incident' could they as opposed to a thousand people in a concourse with about 3 stewards for company? I've written to Miriam (Miriam eh? And you've got your ticket Glenn! When did you get that last Friday? I wish I knew a Miriam ). asking if there a policy change regarding the phones mid-morning and if there was then I'm going to kick up one hell of a fuss of this because it's completely out of order. Talk about moving the goalposts. This isn't about me whining because I didn't get tickets, because I did. It also not about me being in Leeds and you lot getting an extra one and a half in bed after I'd have to set off (as Abbey, Rev, Ewood Spark and RoverTheMoon will testify, for Celtic I was on the concourse around 5:30am, having been forced to take a full day off work) because if I hadn't already got tickets I would have not only been in the queue at Ewood but on the phone too (as I was for Celtic). If you want a ticket that badly, you'll do what it takes. No, It's about the fact that when the club advertised three methods of getting tickets (one, as always, pretty much gaurenteeing them) to expect one to be cancelled mid morning because to some people it's unfair is outrageous. This would have been no fairer than saying to everyone in the queue, "Look, the phone lines are jammed and those people are having to PAY to queue. where as you're sorry asses are costing the club extra money by having the concourse open". Silly and unfair ? Yes, but no more so than stopping phone sales. QUOTE PS In defence of BRFC ticket allocation policy Newsome mentioned the fine work of the ‘Fans Forum’ Odd, I haven't missed a FF meeting in the last couple of years and I don't remember ticketing for Burnley coming up ? In fact, I think the only time away ticketing came up was post-Celtic and I don't remember anyone complaining about the phones then. Sorry if i misled you there but I wasn't discussing or referring to the Burnley allocation specifically then Glenn, more about the general ticket policy. That was when I was discussing the folly of lowering ticket prices for 'unattractive' matches and yet getting no higher attendances. How does one get onto the fans forum anyway? I will however concede there is some logic in your theory of away tickets NOT benefiting the club financially. I thank you -------------------- Famous User Quotes No. 9 : Gally put more effort into the half time draw than Yorke did in the match. He was probably more of a threat to United too. - Modi. Support the site - Make a donation --- Support Me - Buy my stuff from Ebay

S'funny that. I was there and for that amount of people they weren't very loud.

Of course I make lerve to my hand ...... Masturbation's for wankres! Anyway whats all this rushing to the Dark Lor oops .......err sorry Pauls defence? I'd really no idea we had so many wannnabee Mods in our midst. Whats up guys never made prefect at school were we?

Oi! Are you trying to wind me up. btw I lived in Sabden for 6 years just when Jack Walker took control of BRFC! Talk about scope for wind-ups! It was magic. The night the plane went over 'Turf during the play off game was about as good as it gets. After the match the dingles were apoplectic with rage and indignation in the Pendle Witch that night. Own up time! I did used to go t'turf occasionally in those days but I always stood with the away fans in the longside. Bloody great craic once they realised I was a Rovers fan and hated Burnley about 50 times more than them! Just £5 to get in too......... It was so cheap I offered the bloke on the turnstile a tip once. 3 best matches were Burnley v Reading (0-1) and Burnley v Stoke twice (0-2 and 0-1 I think) Them Reading fans were great hosts and the Stokey boys madheads. eeeeeeh it were grrrrrand then and t'Hovis were alus on't table when we got home....

Was the 'Cricket Field' stand now its the 'David Fishwick'.

It would have been Ben but as Glenn explains on the other thread some Mod thought fit to move my initial post on the ticket subject which I had started as a new topic onto this one. Kinda split the debate somewhat.

Your mind works in strange and mysterious ways Paul. No doubt egged on by your daft chums. Any action that I took (and if you believe that I have that much influence then you are nuts) was to FACILITATE AND ENSURE that Rovers fans (myself included) who had queued and stood in the cold for hours actually GOT tickets! Is that concept so difficult to understand or is your continuing dislike and animosity toward me fogging your perception?

QUOTE (thenodrog @ Feb 10 2005, 09:43 ) You are in business so do you not favour ever so slightly the customers that you make most profit from? Of course, which is precisely why the away support should always receive first shout on tickets. For example without regular travelling fans it would be difficult for Rovers to gauge the ticket volume they might request for any PL away match. Don't forget the visiting club has to purchase the away tickets regardless of if they are sold or not. Therefore we can argue the regular travelling support effectively underwrite Rovers committment in this area. Nonsense. Just dispense with the sentiment and accept that apart from away cup ties travelling support does not contribute a penny toward gross income. Fans paying to see the game at Ewood do! They are the ones who MUST be given priority! Use it or Lose it - your phrase I believe. Yet on this thread you suggest the club should risk alienating the regular away support, whom I presume are ST holders at Ewood, by offering Burnley tickets to ST holders on a tiered basis. Paul you are over 50 its high time that you learned that presumptions mean nowt! But its a fair assumption (and to assume means nowt too) that the vast majority of ST holders who regularly travel to away games will also attend home cup-ties isn't it?. And giving priority to ST' holders who travel to away games and subsidise opposing teams at the expense of ST holders who attend every home game and subsidise BRFC is itself a 'tiered' system isn't it? You further suggest the club alienate those who cannot travel to Ewood to purchase tickets by limiting or blocking the number of incoming calls. That should go down well in London, Leicestershire, Manchester, Wiltshire and a few other places I can think of. So everybody from afar who wanted a ticket got one did they? Rubbish! And anyway I'll turn that around cos I saw plenty turned away on Wednesday who had gone down in good faith and left alienated and disappointed....... and it didn't go down too well on piggin Nuttall Street I can assure you! In another thread you ridiculed an individual for suggesting tickets for young people should be more competively priced. In an earlier post (Crikey Paul your continuing vendetta is turning you into a stalker) you refered to getting "all my tickets" - Did you by any chance purchase tickets for someone who wasn't in the queue? Someone who couldn't get down to Ewood or couldn't get to a phone all morning. I'm truely shocked Are you well get this........I got 12! All within the BRFC rules of course. If you had asked me nicely I'd have got you yours too. What was that phrase again - Use it or Lose it" - your proposals for ticketing arrangements suggest you are more in the lose it camp. Nah! Like I said Paul........... You 'lost it' cos I've got mine! And unless its on the Beeb looks like you'll be supporting old Rupert again.

Why is that ludicrous? If they put everything into supporting the team then they will also have got ticket stubs for the Cardiff City home game wont they? Anyway maybe I was alittle hasty allow me to amend my suggested priority list. Here we go........... Imo Tickets should have been allocated as follows…. 1. Free tickets to all Mods and Admin from this board. 2. On Monday they should have given top priority to the ST holders who paid top dollar to watch Cardiff at Ewood. (With a free bacon butt, a cup of coffee, fold up chair, blanket and a specially struck commemorative medal to those who also held a stubbs for Cardiff away ) 3. On Tues to ST holders who had stubbs from both Colchester and Bournemouth at home. 4. On Wed ST holders with no stubbs. 5. On Thurs and after anybody else ......... as long as they dont have Sky TV. There that better for you Paul? You are in business so do you not favour ever so slightly the customers that you make most profit from? btw I dont subscribe to Sky Paul. Do you?

Your right there longsider. Terribly 20th century but all the same it was all quite nostagic and retro picking up those quaint little paper tickets again......hope i dont lose mine btw. I didn't realise earlier but the retina recognition and palm print identifying units that we have on our turnstiles now are so high in technology that one can often miss such primitive stuff that you have to endure. Bit like mild beer, cross-ply tyres, shiny bog roll and black and white tele. You miss em but nobody in their right minds would ever want em back. Then again, forget it....... you lot are probably still using them.

Whoever...... The post is a general ticketing topic not just discussion for the Burnley game. Todays events were obviously influential in promoting the post but coincidental to the subject matter. Still I suppose that its your call. btw delete this Drog

Just got back with all my tickets and for what its worth and imho if BRFC had any business acuman whatsoever the Rovers should not have given priority to people with away stubbs! Imo Tickets should have been allocated as follows…. On Monday they should have given top priority to the ST holders who paid top dollar to watch Cardiff at Ewood. (With a free bacon butt and a cup of coffee to those who also held a stubb for Cardiff away ) On Tues to ST holders who had stubbs from both Colchester and Bournemouth at home. On Wed ST holders with no stubbs. On Thurs and after anybody. Its the only and most sensible way to reward people who put money into the club coffers. Away fans are all fine and dandy but for all their admirable qualities they are actually giving much of their hard earned to strengthen the finances of rival clubs. If a fan who attends every match home and away has an annual budget of £1500 then only about £4-500 will end up going through the tills at Ewood! This'll tick a few off but I was also in conversation with John Newsome and a couple of officials this morning and my mate also rang Tom Finn to complain about tickets being sold over the phone whilst people were queing half the night at Ewood! We were told (about 10.30am) that 'measures' had been taken to remedy that . So I guess that if it was hard to get through after 10.00 it might just have been down to our efforts........... sorry guys but I'd been up early without any brekky, taken half a day off work and it was not all that tropical I can assure you. PS In defence of BRFC ticket allocation policy Newsome mentioned the fine work of the ‘Fans Forum’ and seemed generally ‘bemused’ when I questioned the logic in giving cheap tickets for games likes of the Colchester and Bournemouth matches. I told him that such action was counter productive and lead to a totally pointless loss of revenue. The lights finally came on when I pointed out the fact that cheap tickets have absolutely no influence on crowd numbers and that as roughly the same amount of people attended both Cardiff and Colchester, then the gate receipts would simply have been approx £10 per adult lower than they need be. PPS JN also informed me that if he was not involved he would not be going to Burnley at all but would much rather sit at home in his armchair watching it on tele with a can of (warm no doubt) beer! Is it any wonder we always complain about the lack of thought and direction behind the scenes at BRFC?

Gally off to Glasgow! Oh No! I'll never sleep now waggy! Must be Clydebank that are short of a striker. Anyway I just hope somebody tells us when he goes cos otherwise we'll prob never notice. Personal probs? Hmmmm no doubt his mum is forever going through his pockets now her numerous social security scams have been nobbled.

Well get one of our gyppo's to lift it then........... we have plenty to pick from.

At last, he's finally admitted it. When are you gonna pluck up the courage to do likewise Jim? G'wan you know you can do it and you'll feel so much better for it.

Thanks. I confused the Ruby Wax interview.

Arsenal are always mentioned in the same breath as Chelsea and MU but in reallity they are very much the financial poor relations of MU who in turn are light years behind Chelsea. Arsenals recent success has been based on Wengers astuteness in the transfer market. Sure he blobbed a couple of times with Jeffers and Wiltord but it was only money that he had made from Anelka who he got for nothing and sold at a huge profit. He also conned Real into paying a kings ransom for the water carrier Manu Petite. (It must be damned easy cos MU copied him with Beckham and Newcastle with Woodgate ) The spine of his team messrs Henry, Vierra and Campbell together with Pires cost 10 mill less than Rooney and 9 mill less than Drogba! Not bad bit of business eh?

Oi! Where did you get that picture of my missus?

Aye, withiout the "hugely impressive" Dickov we might have drawn a blank and possibly even missed a gift wrapped penalty!. 3rd successive blank coming up today. Very prophetic (but maybe not all that good by 16.43pm Rev ) and a fair point but at least we were not embarrassed by his performance. BUT I still cannot see how things will be improved by replacing Dickov with either a lad who has not scored since last years daffodils were in bloom and who looks like he wont ever score again! OR by replacing him with our local hero from Shad who is playing at least one division higher than his talent. OR with our very own Evil Knieval. OR even with the multi-talented Jay Bothroyd who finds everything oh so easy that he wastes his God-given ability by insisting on playing in roller skates. Whilst MH has certainly tightened us up defensively and made us more competative (...... not combatative as the bodywaxed chelsea bum-boys are claiming) I feel that after the transfer window slammed shut we are left with the worst strike force in the Prem bar none! We must find a way to use what personnel we have to find the net enough times to guarantee Prem safety and to give Hughes the breathing space necessary to clear out and replace at least half of our strike force in the close season

Yey he loves em that much he couldn't wait to leave 18 months ago...........or so he said! Face it Ferguson is just another footballing mercenary but imo he is also guilty of playing a full part in a despicable fraud of 2million pounds.

You've gormlessly put the cart before the horse! Murdoch (an Australian with no vested interest one way or the other) put money into English football not to help it out or to make it better but because it is more marketable and he will make even more money by doing so! PERIOD. To put that amount of money into Scottish football would have been suicidal from a business point of view. Try and think things through before you let your prejudices run away with you.

Great minds eh ywa. I posted a few times that we should go for him too and was roundly criticised on here. Lots of helpings of humble pie required. As for Dickov. A lot of criticism is totally unfair cos not only has he had to play on his own up front on occasion (Wed night) but he also has to partner complete jerkoffs when Hughes does play 2 up front. I am certain that he would benefit from a quality centre forward alongside him. Can anybody even try to imagine the embarrassing shambles that Wed would have been if Sparky had played either Gally or Stead up front and all on their own against Galla and Terry ffs?

Sorry American I'm not familiar with that particular quote. Which play is it from?